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I really hope Graendal wasn't Yondaime Send a noteboard - 15/04/2010 12:10:39 AM
Granted, I didn't like whiny, angry, unreasonable Rand at all while he was around, but I think it would defeat one of the important themes of WOT if it turned out Rand was just under Graendal's compulsion. The whole point of Rand becoming insane, unrealiable, and generally sour was to show the wrong way to deal with adversity and conflict while trying to retain your humanity.

Rand focused too much on the philosophy Morraine presented to him; "say a prayer for the dead, and move on." This just didn't work for him. He needed to grieve, and by not allowing himself to, he began to crack. And because he began to crack, he started to distance himself from the people and things he cared about so he wouldn't get hurt. Sure, Rand's inability to cope with loss lasted way too long. As a writer, RJ should have wrapped it up earlier. But the fundamental point of Rand's struggle to regain his humanity is totally destroyed if Graendal just compulsed him.
"Take the Gleeman!" Rand and Mat cried, throwing Thom to the Myrddraal. Then they ran away as fast as they could, and Thom's screams quickly faded into the distance along with any inconvenient feelings of guilt.
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I hope Graendal was responsible for LTT's voice all along! What happened to our little boy?! - 13/04/2010 04:02:20 AM 1388 Views
I have to disagree. - 13/04/2010 05:34:44 AM 952 Views
You're right, but a couple of points - 15/04/2010 01:38:48 AM 885 Views
I don't really get Rand self-pity from the books. - 15/04/2010 04:01:27 AM 651 Views
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Could be that I missed it... - 15/04/2010 06:42:43 AM 597 Views
You seem like a nice enough bloke - 15/04/2010 03:03:17 PM 630 Views
You think too much of Graendal - 13/04/2010 11:46:15 AM 748 Views
True - 15/04/2010 01:40:11 AM 741 Views
I think it's realistic... - 13/04/2010 12:35:11 PM 816 Views
She couldn't, just my wishful b%^&&ing and moaning *NM* - 15/04/2010 01:43:41 AM 268 Views
I hope not. I don't think Graendal had the interest or opportunity to manipulate Rand that early. - 13/04/2010 02:39:18 PM 833 Views
Hadn't considered either of those - cool - 15/04/2010 01:42:31 AM 732 Views
I really hope Graendal wasn't - 15/04/2010 12:10:39 AM 771 Views
Very true! But I never said compulsion was the cause - 15/04/2010 01:22:45 AM 838 Views
The voice was a reincarnation side effect, but why did RJ take his hand! - 27/04/2010 07:37:49 PM 632 Views
Great point! I was laughing and even clapping at your idea *NM* - 01/05/2010 03:12:42 AM 268 Views

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