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I think... Etzel Send a noteboard - 23/03/2010 09:31:41 AM

Rand could see Asmo through the window from his location in the Caemlyn Palace as well, before Asmo walked away to get wine. It's also explicitely told in the books that Slayer spies on people. When Slayer saw that Asmo went in a certain direction, he jumbed there via TAR (as said, Slayer most likely knows the Palace quite well) and had the luck that Asmo apparently opened the first door on his way. Thus Slayer got the perfect opportunity to kill Asmo, especially since the Palace was largely deserted at this time. If Asmo wouldn't have opened the door, Slayer had simply waited for another chance to get Asmo.

In my view that makes more sense than e.g. the idea that Graendal randomly wandered in this part of the Palace for some obscure reason and without any disguise.

He was spying on him. Had the time/opportunity to jump into the dream world...run down the hall....get back out of the dreamworld....and Asmodean should have picked door number three. So then the question comes around to who commissioned Slayer to act?


That most likely Graendal sent Slayer to kill Asmo, because Asmo knew of Graendal's lair. She also ordered him to take the corpse, because she didn't want any traces pointing to her and probably liked the idea that Rand would wounder about Asmo's fate. This way she wouldn't risk her own life going near Rand & Co. It would also explain, why she is certain that Asmo is dead.

Otherwise it might have been an order by Lanfear, in case of her death.

As per Graendal wandering around the Palace herself. Well we know from this very book that she had a whole scheme brewing with Rhavin, Sammael, and Lanfear so she very well could have been in the palace. Why didn't she have a disguise? Well she just witnessed Rhavin's smack-down with Rand. She knew that there was a female channeler in the Palace, and that any channeling remotely near Rand would alert him of something going on. Would you risk disguising yourself?


Rahvin's death was at least a few hours ago. No reason for Graendal to stay that long in this part of the Palace. Besides that, one can invert weaves like a Mask of Mirrors. Plus, if Graendal had been such afraid to channel, your belief that Graendal used the One Power to kill Asmo, doesn't make much sense to me.

There are just a few things for Slayer that just don't add up. Not that I really consider author-speak canon, but RJ said that we knew the character who killed Asmodean. And that we knew of that character by that book. We had no idea who "slayer" was, and for all we knew, he was dead after Perrin shot him. We had no idea he was the shadow's gun-for-hire.


If one puts the clues from EotW till TFoH together (especially of course read TSR), as RJ said is necessary to figure the killer out, it becomes clear who or what Slayer is. Afer all, Slayer e.g. also hunts the renegade Fain, and he is basically described as an assassin in the Dark Prophecy, which also fits his obvious abilities when he battles Perrin in TAR.

And on a side note, it's a bit ironic that you tend to doubt Graendal's death, but think that readers had to believe that Slayer was definitely dead after Perrin shot him in the chest (explicitely not in the heart), although it was actually said that he fled from the Two Rivers on his horse. Slayer was just wounded.

Even Fain comments in the end of TSR that Slayer is likely still alive.

Considering the built-up for Slayer since book 1, it was clear that he didn't already die in TSR. And if one really needed an additional little clue for this, Slayer is mentioned in the beginning of LoC stalking in TAR.

In any case, if I'm right the killer was obvious to RJ, because he invented Slayer as an assassin-character and used him in previous assassination scenes. On the other hand, it's possible that many missed those clues, like BS said that he wouldn't have figured it out on his own.

And then the MO for Slayer isn't the same as his typical. Asmodean disappeared without a trace. No blood, no body, no harp...nothing. Yes, you could say that Slayer was ordered to not leave any evidence, but again, to what conclusion? The Forsaken who ordered the hit wanted it to look like a mystery? Oddly enough, I see the Forsaken making an example of anyone who betrayed them, let alone anyone who was weak. The example of this type of hit, which Slayer did do, would be the two Black Ajah sisters in the Stone of Tear. I mean, if the Forsaken wanted to really cause Rand issues, they could have rigged it so that the whole world found out that Rand's bard was the Forsaken Asmodean. That would have caused *major* issues with his allies. Instead, not a peep out of anyone...and we've seen each and every Forsaken who is still alive since then. The only bit of whatever that we have seen is that Graendal had her lips sealed when Sammael brought it up.


I explained that above.
This message last edited by Etzel on 23/03/2010 at 09:34:57 AM
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Intuitively obvious, my dear Watson newyorkersedai - 22/03/2010 01:53:54 AM 1794 Views
idle speculation != "Intuitivly obvious" Nargs - 22/03/2010 03:01:10 AM 563 Views
The best explanation for the "intuitively obvious"-comment is... Etzel - 22/03/2010 09:41:32 AM 582 Views
So again...how would Slayer know he was in the hallway? Jeordam - 22/03/2010 03:18:51 PM 582 Views
I think Slayer spied on Asmo Etzel - 22/03/2010 03:45:20 PM 449 Views
Fair enough.... Jeordam - 22/03/2010 06:25:25 PM 606 Views
I think... Etzel - 23/03/2010 09:31:41 AM 518 Views
I agree. Slayer is the most intuitively obvious candidate. *NM* Narg - 22/03/2010 06:29:07 PM 215 Views
Slayer....the book4 minor villian? *NM* Jeordam - 22/03/2010 06:34:52 PM 355 Views
Slayer actually was a major villian in TSR. Etzel - 23/03/2010 09:11:39 AM 411 Views
Re: Slayer actually was a major villian in TSR. darius_sedai - 28/03/2010 07:16:59 PM 450 Views
In my view, Graendal might have sent Slayer, which would explain her knowledge. *NM* Etzel - 29/03/2010 09:45:14 AM 450 Views
Actually that's one of my hang-ups about Slayer too darius_sedai - 06/04/2010 02:27:22 PM 427 Views
As far as I'm concerned... Fanatic-Templar - 25/03/2010 06:42:53 AM 439 Views
The problem is that people don't read the books or at least ignore what is said about Slayer... Etzel - 25/03/2010 09:41:09 AM 428 Views
Correction... Fanatic-Templar - 25/03/2010 05:22:46 PM 416 Views
So, basically... Etzel - 25/03/2010 05:50:42 PM 419 Views
The clues are there? Fanatic-Templar - 25/03/2010 06:29:16 PM 437 Views
Re: The clues are there? newyorkersedai - 26/03/2010 12:51:43 AM 405 Views
He wasn't being insulting, I don't think. Fanatic-Templar - 26/03/2010 02:16:26 AM 456 Views
well, RJ was a nuclear engineer. 'Nuff said about obviousness, huh? newyorkersedai - 26/03/2010 04:38:00 AM 461 Views
Apparently... Etzel - 26/03/2010 08:58:32 AM 431 Views
No it isn't. Fanatic-Templar - 26/03/2010 05:43:02 PM 416 Views
You don't understand... Etzel - 27/03/2010 09:11:35 AM 445 Views
Re: You don't understand... Fanatic-Templar - 27/03/2010 05:23:35 PM 448 Views
Re: You don't understand... newyorkersedai - 28/03/2010 08:17:40 PM 410 Views
Yes, it's Winter's Heart. Fanatic-Templar - 29/03/2010 04:01:41 AM 420 Views
Both merged into one being Etzel - 29/03/2010 09:43:47 AM 459 Views
Not what I asked. Fanatic-Templar - 29/03/2010 06:10:42 PM 402 Views
If he couldn't do this... Etzel - 29/03/2010 06:59:16 PM 441 Views
Re: If he couldn't do this... Fanatic-Templar - 29/03/2010 07:46:39 PM 404 Views
That Basel Gill comparison just silly... Etzel - 29/03/2010 08:49:19 PM 445 Views
Clearly, one of you has proved that Basel Gill is Demandred *NM* newyorkersedai - 29/03/2010 10:12:00 PM 215 Views
I've asked you only one question, repeatedly. Fanatic-Templar - 30/03/2010 12:34:44 AM 484 Views
Yeah, and I repeatedly tried to show you the clues... Etzel - 30/03/2010 09:17:59 AM 417 Views
You have never provided anything even resembling evidence. Fanatic-Templar - 30/03/2010 08:20:54 PM 384 Views
Dude Etzel - 30/03/2010 09:49:05 PM 374 Views
You know what's really embarrassing? Fanatic-Templar - 30/03/2010 10:28:38 PM 500 Views
be nice *NM* saidarisnowtainted - 31/03/2010 01:22:03 AM 205 Views
One last time... Etzel - 31/03/2010 09:18:01 AM 417 Views
Re: One last time... Fanatic-Templar - 31/03/2010 06:20:24 PM 415 Views
No... Etzel - 31/03/2010 06:31:57 PM 402 Views
Re: No... Fanatic-Templar - 31/03/2010 11:43:42 PM 444 Views
So... Etzel - 01/04/2010 10:22:31 AM 405 Views
Re: So... Fanatic-Templar - 01/04/2010 06:41:34 PM 503 Views
Egwene did it though darius_sedai - 09/04/2010 02:26:10 AM 420 Views
Not before Lord of Chaos she didn't. Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2010 08:03:12 AM 401 Views
Rand does it in the end of TFoH, though, shortly before Asmo's death. *NM* Etzel - 09/04/2010 08:34:23 AM 217 Views
But we don't actually see that darius_sedai - 09/04/2010 12:23:37 PM 404 Views
But why would he return to his starting point, makes no sense. Etzel - 09/04/2010 12:44:21 PM 426 Views
by your argument Rand should have re-entered the waking world outside to join that battle darius_sedai - 09/04/2010 07:58:26 PM 409 Views
Hmm. True, that. Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2010 07:28:15 PM 353 Views
I see what you are saying now darius_sedai - 09/04/2010 12:08:00 PM 372 Views
Yep Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2010 07:27:27 PM 389 Views
A question on balefire/2 servants The Angry Druid - 24/03/2010 04:31:49 PM 371 Views
Re: A question on balefire/2 servants TaskmasterJack - 24/03/2010 05:03:32 PM 381 Views
First rule of balefire: Fanatic-Templar - 25/03/2010 06:44:17 AM 382 Views
Re: First rule of balefire: Whatever RJ wants to undo from it is what BF does! darius_sedai - 28/03/2010 06:59:04 PM 366 Views
Yep, that's my understanding too. Gher - 25/03/2010 07:00:39 PM 401 Views
On the servants theory Etzel - 25/03/2010 11:33:08 AM 377 Views
Rand's odd wounds newyorkersedai - 29/03/2010 02:48:58 AM 366 Views
RJ said that special properties of TAR was responsible for the wounds. Etzel - 29/03/2010 09:47:01 AM 378 Views
Who says the Dark One couldn't bring Asmodean back? Why would he want to? Cannoli - 25/03/2010 05:50:55 AM 454 Views
RJ said that. *NM* Etzel - 25/03/2010 09:31:32 AM 354 Views
Do you have that quote handy? darius_sedai - 28/03/2010 07:01:06 PM 387 Views
From memory, but can't find the URL newyorkersedai - 28/03/2010 08:09:29 PM 373 Views
Here: Etzel - 29/03/2010 09:48:36 AM 376 Views
thanks! good job *NM* newyorkersedai - 29/03/2010 10:13:12 PM 177 Views
You dont address all the criteria saidarisnowtainted - 30/03/2010 11:27:58 PM 378 Views
Did you mean me? *NM* newyorkersedai - 31/03/2010 05:54:56 AM 176 Views
@Fanatic-Templar: Proof Slayer can't travel through T'A'R... BlackAdder - 31/03/2010 03:54:19 AM 380 Views
Exactly my point. Fanatic-Templar - 31/03/2010 05:02:41 AM 390 Views
Maybe none of it matters anyway, Slayer will go down like a punk and I know how it goes newyorkersedai - 31/03/2010 05:56:46 AM 428 Views
Lan can swordfight with his boots? *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 31/03/2010 06:41:53 AM 193 Views
I don't think so... read again *NM* BlackAdder - 31/03/2010 10:54:03 PM 169 Views
Re: Maybe none of it matters anyway, Slayer will go down like a punk and I know how it goes saidarisnowtainted - 31/03/2010 03:52:16 PM 402 Views
thanks! but as soon as I posted newyorkersedai - 01/04/2010 03:43:59 AM 377 Views
Re: Intuitively obvious, my dear Watson saidarisnowtainted - 14/05/2010 01:28:38 AM 426 Views
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