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Re: Yes, but Shai'tan himself is outside the Pattern. car'a'aman Send a noteboard - 09/03/2010 01:54:26 PM
That means that on the very first day of Shai'tan's imprisonment, the Wheel had already turned infinite cycles.

However, that does not give Shai'tan an infinite past of trying to escape the Pattern, because he is outside it.


Wy do you assume that there is a 'first day' when Shaitan was imprisoned??? That could have been status quo for infinite past. Remember the Creator is outside time. He could create a world from outside time, with the Dark One imprisoned within it, creating time also so that the wheel has had an infinite number of turns, all of which have the Dark One imprisoned.

And again the Dark One is outside the pattern but within time.

quote from LOC prologue (when Demandred goes to Shayol Ghul)

"HE SERVED WELL, YET EVEN I CANNOT SAVE HIM FROM BALEFIRE. EVEN I CANNOT STEP OUTSIDE OF TIME"

There you have it,from the mouth of the Dark One himself, he cannot step outside time...
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Both of us are saying the same thing car'a'aman - 03/03/2010 01:46:57 PM 495 Views
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Yes, but Shai'tan himself is outside the Pattern. Fanatic-Templar - 08/03/2010 06:23:19 PM 483 Views
Re: Yes, but Shai'tan himself is outside the Pattern. car'a'aman - 09/03/2010 01:54:26 PM 468 Views
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Yes, I said that at the very beginning: *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 11/03/2010 05:44:19 PM 217 Views
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I don't know if this has any basis in fact... Napoleon62 - 04/03/2010 02:44:26 AM 613 Views
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