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Re: It's WoT. You win by surrendering. Metaphysical judo, if you will. Lord Haart Send a noteboard - 18/02/2010 03:23:39 AM
The only way I could see this working, is if Rand kneels, and then instantly (before rumours can spread of his submission) does something to clearly and openly bind Tuon to him, showing evryone that he is not a slave of the Seanchan. Anything else would simply end up costing him too much.


I think that the reasons you gave, plus others, are enough evidence to support the idea that he will both bow to Tuon and Bind her to him in the same meeting.

I actually think the order will be reversed - he will convince her to join his alliance, and then bow to her in thanks and to honour the way she has kept her lands safe for the inhabitants (damane aside).
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Will Rand bow to the Crystal Throne? Yondaime - 16/02/2010 07:03:12 PM 2044 Views
Re: Will Rand bow to the Crystal Throne? Gnosis18 - 16/02/2010 07:07:51 PM 1080 Views
Like I said below.... GateKeeper - 16/02/2010 07:33:59 PM 879 Views
I lean towards somethng like this as a result of the end of tGS. Cannoli - 16/02/2010 08:24:20 PM 1048 Views
Yeah, Rand doesn't have many options left Yondaime - 16/02/2010 09:13:26 PM 776 Views
Ignore this ... double post.... Yondaime - 16/02/2010 09:13:35 PM 717 Views
So you think him submitting to the Seanchan is a good thing? lilltempest - 17/02/2010 07:25:13 PM 957 Views
It's WoT. You win by surrendering. Metaphysical judo, if you will. Cannoli - 17/02/2010 11:03:22 PM 843 Views
Re: It's WoT. You win by surrendering. Metaphysical judo, if you will. Datakim - 17/02/2010 11:41:11 PM 793 Views
Re: It's WoT. You win by surrendering. Metaphysical judo, if you will. Lord Haart - 18/02/2010 03:23:39 AM 745 Views
Re: It's WoT. You win by surrendering. Metaphysical judo, if you will. Datakim - 18/02/2010 03:38:04 AM 826 Views
Perhaps if they reform, other rulers will accept them. Lord Haart - 18/02/2010 05:59:16 AM 810 Views
Re: It's WoT. You win by surrendering. Metaphysical judo, if you will. Cannoli - 19/02/2010 03:18:35 PM 867 Views
Re: I lean towards somethng like this as a result of the end of tGS. orius - 18/02/2010 07:18:44 AM 782 Views
Re: I lean towards somethng like this as a result of the end of tGS. Datakim - 18/02/2010 01:22:49 PM 788 Views
Why everyone's loving Seanchan? Skeeve the Great - 18/02/2010 02:41:07 PM 767 Views
As I said - all of Randland's political systems have strengths and weaknesses. Lord Haart - 18/02/2010 05:46:40 PM 644 Views
Re: Why everyone's loving Seanchan? orius - 19/02/2010 07:48:07 AM 804 Views
I've been saying since wotmania that they are no worse than anyone else. Cannoli - 19/02/2010 03:23:22 PM 796 Views
Re: I've been saying since wotmania that they are no worse than anyone else. Skeeve the Great - 19/02/2010 06:13:08 PM 714 Views
Re: I've been saying since wotmania that they are no worse than anyone else. Cannoli - 19/02/2010 07:37:25 PM 845 Views
the entire system of Seekers isn't an abuse of power? Bethamin winds up fleeing due to her fear of darius_sedai - 20/02/2010 12:13:52 AM 831 Views
Agree Skeeve the Great - 20/02/2010 01:04:26 AM 865 Views
Re: Agree Cannoli - 20/02/2010 03:46:03 PM 767 Views
No, they're the only group that seems to pay more than lip service to the concept of responsibility Cannoli - 20/02/2010 03:37:58 PM 734 Views
You asked for an example of abuse of power. The Seekers are a clear abuse no better than any darius_sedai - 20/02/2010 04:42:06 PM 1090 Views
Thanks for the perspective of outsiders and the behavior of a Darkfriend. THAT's good info! Cannoli - 24/02/2010 01:26:39 PM 1007 Views
Re: Why everyone's loving Seanchan? Sidious - 19/02/2010 04:27:13 PM 681 Views
Re: Why everyone's loving Seanchan? Skeeve the Great - 19/02/2010 05:41:08 PM 712 Views
Re: Why everyone's loving Seanchan? Datakim - 19/02/2010 05:41:53 PM 853 Views
Re: Will Rand bow to the Crystal Throne? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/02/2010 09:51:36 PM 909 Views
I think it's a false prophecy randfandom - 17/02/2010 12:39:23 AM 869 Views
"Bow, or be bowed." *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/02/2010 03:39:04 PM 490 Views
Submit to Fortuona Lohikaarme - 02/03/2010 10:02:31 AM 694 Views
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