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There aren't, really. DomA Send a noteboard - 14/02/2010 09:56:53 PM
The "discrepancy" is internal to TGS. Brandon goes and tells us that Natrin's Barrow is famous and a remnant from an earlier era, and tin the days of Arad Doman the fortress was used as a royal country residence until 50 years ago, and then he goes and would have us believe "it's now largely forgotten" by the populace. It's not terribly realistic. Many probably forgot the place was once a royal secondary residence, but not its name or location. It would still be a famous very old fortress deep in the south... but not probably who lives there now, unless that cousin's descendants are well-known people, It would also be on every map of Arad Doman. No cartographer would omit the location of a place like that.

And no way a man like Bashere or his noble officers wouldn't know about a fortress like this deep in Arad Doman.

It's Rand saying "it's been largely forgotten" and going to librarians that overdid it and doesn't fit. Superficially it's very WOT-like, but Jordan himself would not have made a place still used by the Kings of Arad Doman "largely forgotten" merely in 50 years. That's no Manetheren left alone in an isolated area for 2000 years (mind you, everyone but TR folk seemed to know about Manetheren).

OTOH, the back story of Natrin's Barrow fits Sammael's comments very well. It also fits the previous clues about its location and the description of it we had, including in the TGS prologue scene (that features another discrepancy likely introduced because Brandon wanted to give us a taste of the location before chapter 1 when Rand wonders where Graendal is: Graendal is enjoying the sights of the mountains near a window. Earlier on we learned she doesn't like to look at nature outside - nature irritates her - and she doesn't use the rooms of the palace with windows. Another point: she compares Moridin to drawings of Rand. She didn't need drawings of Rand or at least it's odd she mentions them over the fact she saw him with her own eyes when she spied at Sammuel's lair after his downfall. Brandon's research for the Graendal details wasn't very thorough, it seems.).

I don't think it's even a remote possibility that Natrin's Barrow isn't Graendal's palace for real. It's a fairly weird notion. The only way Rand learned of it is from a near miracle. Kerb hated Graendal so much the depths of his destroyd mind still held the name and he was able to speak it before he died. It's no bread crumb Graendal dropped on purpose to fool Rand. And since it isn't, then it's very obviously her real lair... where she very obviously was since she compelled Ramshalanm when he showed up....

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Additional clues that something doesn't quite add up in Graendal's death - 13/02/2010 03:34:43 PM 1801 Views
I brought all this up before.. - 13/02/2010 04:52:39 PM 717 Views
Glad it's been brought up before - 13/02/2010 04:57:11 PM 657 Views
Assuming it's not her hideout . . . - 13/02/2010 05:47:22 PM 682 Views
I don't see problems - 13/02/2010 06:03:41 PM 716 Views
Also, Rand had to do some heavy research with the head librarian - 13/02/2010 07:15:27 PM 664 Views
no, Rand just sent a few scouts - 13/02/2010 11:56:33 PM 584 Views
"Well known" and "largely forgotten" are about as opposite as you can get! - 13/02/2010 11:44:39 PM 671 Views
I don't think so. - 14/02/2010 04:28:04 PM 627 Views
so now she's been there for the last 50 years? - 14/02/2010 05:41:43 PM 531 Views
Re: so now she's been there for the last 50 years? - 14/02/2010 06:29:32 PM 580 Views
you mean the scouts he sent? - 14/02/2010 06:52:59 PM 596 Views
He used scouts to find the place? - 14/02/2010 07:07:16 PM 553 Views
probably, but that doesn't make a difference. - 14/02/2010 08:33:35 PM 562 Views
Re: probably, but that doesn't make a difference. - 15/02/2010 08:10:47 AM 589 Views
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Like rotary phones, Milli Vanilli and the Macarena? - 23/02/2010 12:22:47 AM 519 Views
More... - 13/02/2010 07:37:45 PM 642 Views
Or it could be due to two different authors writing the story and nothing else. *NM* - 14/02/2010 12:22:27 AM 270 Views
seems like pretty big differences - 14/02/2010 12:26:42 AM 555 Views
Not really. - 15/02/2010 03:29:39 AM 536 Views
it's Maria's job to find these things - 15/02/2010 04:43:33 AM 559 Views
Seems absolutely obvious to me - she was tricking Sammael. - 14/02/2010 03:45:23 AM 736 Views
Re: Seems absolutely obvious to me - she was tricking Sammael. - 14/02/2010 01:08:38 PM 647 Views
Fine, then what if she changed location after Sammael was compromised? - 14/02/2010 04:46:52 PM 611 Views
Any number of things are possible - 14/02/2010 05:45:35 PM 553 Views
You don't get it. - 14/02/2010 06:10:33 PM 533 Views
Go re-read it... I said there are discrepancies between what Sammael said and what Rand said - 14/02/2010 06:54:43 PM 632 Views
There aren't, really. - 14/02/2010 09:56:53 PM 514 Views
so you think a kid who has likely never even seen a map knows the name of a castle - 14/02/2010 10:09:55 PM 627 Views
Two possibilities how Kerb knew the name - 15/02/2010 09:04:14 AM 620 Views
There are infinite possibilities - 15/02/2010 12:48:23 PM 628 Views
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*sigh back* - 15/02/2010 06:08:28 PM 627 Views
Kerb wasn't planted by anyone. - 15/02/2010 06:41:18 PM 581 Views
She's dead, people need to move on. *NM* - 14/02/2010 07:34:31 AM 295 Views
I acknowledge that it's possible (even likely) that she is dead - 14/02/2010 01:09:53 PM 559 Views
Graendal is Toast with a capital T. Not possibly dead, not likely dead, 100% gone. - 14/02/2010 04:48:09 PM 571 Views
This from you? HA! - 14/02/2010 05:44:16 PM 566 Views
Look, - 14/02/2010 06:02:32 PM 628 Views
seriously I think you are mistaking me for another poster - 14/02/2010 06:58:47 PM 555 Views
I'm glad... - 15/02/2010 10:07:06 PM 602 Views
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I think that I have my names mixed up.... - 16/02/2010 04:17:46 PM 514 Views
Re: I think that I have my names mixed up.... - 16/02/2010 05:43:51 PM 801 Views
The quote is in my original post! - 23/02/2010 12:30:14 PM 529 Views

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