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Look, Lord Haart Send a noteboard - 14/02/2010 06:02:32 PM
I understand your position. You want to probe the possibility that Graendal is still alive. But you've done so (over enough threads that viewing the purpose of this one as anything less than another go at pushing your theory is hard to say the least), and there's really nothing you've come up with thus far that points to her being ALIVE.

As a proponent of a theory, the burden of proof lies upon you. That means, if you want to take the position that Graendal lives, you need to give some pretty convincing evidence. Everything so far is circumstantial.

As for the "obvious discrepancies", I suggested that perhaps Graendal moved her lair (which is 100% in line with her personality, given that she considers that Sammael may still live and therefore that her old lair might be compromised). If you wish to state that there is an "obvious discrepancy", then you should consider that they might NOT mean that "something doesn't quite add up in Graendal's death".

Your reaction alone really makes me hope she is alive, just so I can laugh at you later


I think that I should point out here that I would find Graendal's survival a pleasant (though frankly unbelievable) surprise. I was kind of sad that she didn't get a proper on-screen death, but at the same time, Rand really did pull an unexpected move, unlike anything he'd ever done before, and I have no issue with how events played out. Everything seems entirely believable to me. The only bit that was slightly off was finding the lair in the first place, which relied on Ta'veren (a concept which I live with, but is annoying like Deus Ex Machina). To claim that Graendal set this up is beyond plausibility (plus if Kerb was a plant, why not consider the possibility that Moridin planted him to lead Rand to Graendal?).

I've given up hope of dampening your efforts to push this debate further. Even if you do find one or two inexplicable plot holes (and none that you have pointed out so far are close to inexplicable), what's the point?
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Additional clues that something doesn't quite add up in Graendal's death - 13/02/2010 03:34:43 PM 1857 Views
I brought all this up before.. - 13/02/2010 04:52:39 PM 777 Views
Glad it's been brought up before - 13/02/2010 04:57:11 PM 707 Views
Assuming it's not her hideout . . . - 13/02/2010 05:47:22 PM 739 Views
I don't see problems - 13/02/2010 06:03:41 PM 770 Views
Also, Rand had to do some heavy research with the head librarian - 13/02/2010 07:15:27 PM 724 Views
no, Rand just sent a few scouts - 13/02/2010 11:56:33 PM 636 Views
"Well known" and "largely forgotten" are about as opposite as you can get! - 13/02/2010 11:44:39 PM 730 Views
I don't think so. - 14/02/2010 04:28:04 PM 692 Views
so now she's been there for the last 50 years? - 14/02/2010 05:41:43 PM 589 Views
Re: so now she's been there for the last 50 years? - 14/02/2010 06:29:32 PM 636 Views
you mean the scouts he sent? - 14/02/2010 06:52:59 PM 641 Views
He used scouts to find the place? - 14/02/2010 07:07:16 PM 613 Views
probably, but that doesn't make a difference. - 14/02/2010 08:33:35 PM 621 Views
Re: probably, but that doesn't make a difference. - 15/02/2010 08:10:47 AM 653 Views
I agree - those are basically antonyms - 16/02/2010 06:35:31 PM 646 Views
Like rotary phones, Milli Vanilli and the Macarena? - 23/02/2010 12:22:47 AM 575 Views
More... - 13/02/2010 07:37:45 PM 689 Views
Or it could be due to two different authors writing the story and nothing else. *NM* - 14/02/2010 12:22:27 AM 288 Views
seems like pretty big differences - 14/02/2010 12:26:42 AM 610 Views
Not really. - 15/02/2010 03:29:39 AM 596 Views
it's Maria's job to find these things - 15/02/2010 04:43:33 AM 613 Views
Seems absolutely obvious to me - she was tricking Sammael. - 14/02/2010 03:45:23 AM 795 Views
Re: Seems absolutely obvious to me - she was tricking Sammael. - 14/02/2010 01:08:38 PM 708 Views
Fine, then what if she changed location after Sammael was compromised? - 14/02/2010 04:46:52 PM 671 Views
Any number of things are possible - 14/02/2010 05:45:35 PM 617 Views
You don't get it. - 14/02/2010 06:10:33 PM 595 Views
Go re-read it... I said there are discrepancies between what Sammael said and what Rand said - 14/02/2010 06:54:43 PM 697 Views
There aren't, really. - 14/02/2010 09:56:53 PM 568 Views
so you think a kid who has likely never even seen a map knows the name of a castle - 14/02/2010 10:09:55 PM 687 Views
Two possibilities how Kerb knew the name - 15/02/2010 09:04:14 AM 683 Views
There are infinite possibilities - 15/02/2010 12:48:23 PM 686 Views
Re: There are infinite possibilities - 15/02/2010 05:51:24 PM 645 Views
*sigh back* - 15/02/2010 06:08:28 PM 660 Views
Kerb wasn't planted by anyone. - 15/02/2010 06:41:18 PM 633 Views
She's dead, people need to move on. *NM* - 14/02/2010 07:34:31 AM 315 Views
I acknowledge that it's possible (even likely) that she is dead - 14/02/2010 01:09:53 PM 622 Views
Graendal is Toast with a capital T. Not possibly dead, not likely dead, 100% gone. - 14/02/2010 04:48:09 PM 625 Views
This from you? HA! - 14/02/2010 05:44:16 PM 626 Views
Look, - 14/02/2010 06:02:32 PM 685 Views
seriously I think you are mistaking me for another poster - 14/02/2010 06:58:47 PM 610 Views
I'm glad... - 15/02/2010 10:07:06 PM 653 Views
Why was Kerb highly likely to be delved? - 16/02/2010 06:42:37 AM 701 Views
I think that I have my names mixed up.... - 16/02/2010 04:17:46 PM 573 Views
Re: I think that I have my names mixed up.... - 16/02/2010 05:43:51 PM 856 Views
The quote is in my original post! - 23/02/2010 12:30:14 PM 584 Views

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