So what? This is more or less true, but it has zero relevance to the issue of the Tower.
Cannoli Send a noteboard - 10/02/2010 10:13:56 PM
I mean, yes, this is this the largest nation in the Westlands, but with so many lands under his belt, what use does Rand have for Andor?
Who said Andor was critical? Significant, yes, as the largest group left not under the control of him or the Seanchan, but who ever said it was crucially important for him? Does Elayne give a Hitler-esque rant to her followers about the glories ahead and how she will whip them into shape and people with remember them in awe, when she takes control of a reunited country? Of course not. The point about the Tower has been that everyone has been talking about it as a crucial and important thing, that the reunification was necessary for the world and the coming events.The people don't particularly respect or like him, for all that he was raised in Andoran soil.
Its rulers will be compelled to fight his close friend and ally Perrin for the "crime" of raising a banner in the Two Rivers and fighting Trollocs.
Tam's hint of what is to come in the next book argues otherwise. Its rulers will be compelled to fight his close friend and ally Perrin for the "crime" of raising a banner in the Two Rivers and fighting Trollocs.
Andor is going to send its armies to the Last Battle, but any ruler could have done that. Why Elayne?
Her survival is important, presumably because of some personal involvement with Rand yet to come, and for Andor's own good, but that is my point. It is the same with the Tower. The reunification of the Tower and Andor are both strictly internal issues that benefit on the organization and nation involved, and have little in the way of implications for the Last Battle. Wouldn't it have been easier for her to stay with him, provide him her direct support?
What could she possibly have done, aside from cut into his time with Min? He's done well enough without her political advice, her channeling is to Rands as the White Tower's resources are to Rand's - negligible, and there is really not a lot that she could have helped with. So why not have her go off and do her thing. As for the wasting books, the Andoran story at least as a direct effect on Rand early on, as it provides motivation and psychological issues and so on. Elayne's own fight was a mere portion of three books. Why waste so many books over her struggle for the throne?
Its not like Elayne is going to be all that much better than Dyelin, say. She herself admits that! And with Dyelin as queen, not even House Tremaene would have an issue, and a completely united Andor would have followed Rand.
She is going to be much better, what with Dyelin knuckling under so easily to Aes Sedai (on that scale, we can say that Elayne's victory makes that of the Tower even more irrelevant - a Tower-influenced ruler would be a reason why the Tower's support for Rand was needed. Elayne on the other hand, can only be turned against Rand by his own actions, and certainly not the Tower), and her stick-in-the-mud adherence to Andor's traditions and customs. She is no better than the obstructionists who are the last to stand for Elayne, except she does not want the burden of rulership. That bunch is arguably just as bad as Rahvin's courtiers who backed Arymilla's claim, IMO, since at least Rahvin's group were honestly self-interested, whereas Dyelin's group was demanding to adhere to their special privileges even in the face of Tarmon Gaidon, while dressing it up in noble-sounding terms. Just like the Tairen & Cairhienin rebels, they wanted things their way, they wanted to retain their special privileges of rank, and the man needed to save the world be damned. At least the "bad" third could have been bought. Elayne's victory is better than Dyelin, because it marginalizes them, whereas they would have been the most influential faction in Andor under Dyelin (and for that matter, Morgase). Now Elayne's closest supporters, the ones who came to her when times were bleak, and who can claim the most influence for their support, are weak teenagers without long-standing issues and vested interests. The entire power structure of the country is broken and whipped into a shape that will work better for Rand. Its not like Elayne is going to be all that much better than Dyelin, say. She herself admits that! And with Dyelin as queen, not even House Tremaene would have an issue, and a completely united Andor would have followed Rand.
This is a similar end that Egwene was seeking in her inconsistent and contradictory speeches to the Hall and the rebels - knock down and power blocs who might claim too much influence over her administration. She wanted firm control over the Tower, unencumbered by the pre-Dragon Reborn factional currents and old rivalries and agendas. And this might be good, too, presuming Egwene uses that control to do something positive, instead of squabbling with Rand to preserve Aes Sedai privileges and special status. We know Elayne will be on Rand's side. We cannot say the same about Egwene for sure.
Even if Arymilla won and Andor went to the dogs... so what? What is one country, even if it is the largest?
Andor's unification has made no difference to the story either, by your logic. Why pick on the White Tower?
Because everyone is acting like it IS more important than Andor. No one gave Andor excess or undue weight or tried to claim it is crucial or vital, or unjustly glorified Elayne for her winning, and tried to paint her as a female equivalent to Rand (though Elayne and Rand both WIN battles where they impress people, as opposed to certain Amyrlins who hail themselves as heroes of the Horn for a defeat).
Andor's unification has made no difference to the story either, by your logic. Why pick on the White Tower?
Cannoli
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
Deus Vult!
*MySmiley*
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
Deus Vult!
*MySmiley*
So what was the point of the White Tower struggle?
07/02/2010 04:41:58 AM
- 1799 Views
The Tower will likely have some sort of "badass army" moment at the end... or, they'd BETTER
07/02/2010 06:46:51 AM
- 681 Views
Re: The Tower will likely have some sort of "badass army" moment at the end... or, they'd BETTER
08/02/2010 05:43:52 PM
- 556 Views
I think the breaking of the tower was....
07/02/2010 07:55:48 AM
- 764 Views
Yes, but that isn't the point.
08/02/2010 04:14:32 AM
- 647 Views
Re: Yes, but that isn't the point.
08/02/2010 04:40:52 AM
- 620 Views
YES!! The SPLIT is important. So why is ENDING the split such a necessary goal?
08/02/2010 04:55:46 AM
- 548 Views
Re: YES!! The SPLIT is important. So why is ENDING the split such a necessary goal?
08/02/2010 02:43:48 PM
- 655 Views
Re: YES!! The SPLIT is important. So why is ENDING the split such a necessary goal?
10/02/2010 09:49:59 PM
- 615 Views
Re: the wise ones.
13/02/2010 10:21:55 AM
- 459 Views
Re: So what was the point of the White Tower struggle?
07/02/2010 06:14:31 PM
- 657 Views
Re: The point was that Rand needed the division.
07/02/2010 08:34:10 PM
- 608 Views
small disagreement
07/02/2010 08:42:07 PM
- 549 Views
Re: small disagreement
08/02/2010 04:37:03 AM
- 486 Views
Egwene and Siuan have noted that there are plenty of the new Novices
15/02/2010 04:22:35 PM
- 555 Views
Re: So what was the point of the White Tower struggle?
08/02/2010 04:34:52 AM
- 696 Views
Re: So what was the point of the White Tower struggle?
08/02/2010 06:56:01 AM
- 565 Views
Such a resolution could have been a minor plot point like settling Tear or Cairhien
11/02/2010 11:53:41 PM
- 608 Views
Re: Such a resolution could have been a minor plot point like settling Tear or Cairhien
13/02/2010 10:45:06 AM
- 622 Views
Re: So what was the point of the White Tower struggle?
07/02/2010 10:42:27 PM
- 517 Views
These are reasons why the SPLIT is necessary. I was not questioning that.
08/02/2010 04:50:11 AM
- 694 Views
Re: These are reasons why the SPLIT is necessary. I was not questioning that.
08/02/2010 05:47:36 AM
- 567 Views
Re: These are reasons why the SPLIT is necessary. I was not questioning that.
13/02/2010 09:33:04 AM
- 448 Views
For that matter, what is the point of Andor?
08/02/2010 06:08:32 AM
- 609 Views
Re: For that matter, what is the point of Andor?
08/02/2010 03:38:54 PM
- 555 Views
But Tar Valon is critical too.
08/02/2010 07:41:43 PM
- 570 Views
Really?
10/02/2010 05:30:02 AM
- 488 Views
So what? This is more or less true, but it has zero relevance to the issue of the Tower.
10/02/2010 10:13:56 PM
- 609 Views
Re: So what? This is more or less true, but it has zero relevance to the issue of the Tower.
12/02/2010 12:43:19 AM
- 632 Views
Re: So what? This is more or less true, but it has zero relevance to the issue of the Tower.
15/02/2010 02:23:57 PM
- 639 Views
To pad the last few books in order to make Egwene the Amyrlin.
17/02/2010 05:25:22 PM
- 506 Views