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YES!! The SPLIT is important. So why is ENDING the split such a necessary goal? brett014 Send a noteboard - 08/02/2010 02:43:48 PM

This was the obvious reason for the split. My point for this post is, why was it so necessary to knit this organization back together under "good" leadership? This is not really any more important than many of the other sideline plots, and probably less important than most. The Tower struggle is only important for those personally involved, like the deaths of Perrin's family. Sure it matters a lot to the people concerned, but it is not very significant in the big picture.

I don't agree with that at all. Are you saying that a Tower divided has just as much meaning as the Tower whole? That is not even close to reality. The Tower whole is a force to be reckoned with by anyone, including Rand and the Black Tower. The Tower split was critical to the story because it prodded Rand in the direction the pattern needed him to go. Without the split atleast 1/2 of the important points in the whole series would have never happened (cleansing, Elayne in Andor, Perrin becoming a leader, the Seanchen would have never gained such a large foothold, the black tower would not exist, male channelers would not be around, healing of stilling, to just name a few). The tower struggle is one of the keys to the entire series, without it most things lose importance.

But why is it so important that Egwene win? Why is it so important that this so-useful circumstance come to an end? How does mending the Tower change things enough to be a crucial and vital factor in the small bit of story left? No more than approximately a book and a half of time remains for the reunited Tower to do its part, and what can it do in that time than makes Egwene's victory a crucial issue? If there is nothing really important left for it to do, Egwene's victory is one of those "for the future" issues, like the establishment of the school in Caemlyn, or the Seanchan abolition movement.

Lets see... what can 600-700 full Aes Sedai and 1000's of other channelers do? They could form an alliance with Rand and turn back the hordes of trollocs. The Tower united under Egwene will be critical because she can work with Rand to help defeat the Dark One. Also by being united she can defeat the Seanchen or atleast push them back to keep them from conquering everything while Rand is busy elsewhere. The tower united is definitly one of those "for the future" issues, but it is also critical to the here and now in the story

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So what was the point of the White Tower struggle? Cannoli - 07/02/2010 04:41:58 AM 1862 Views

The Tower will likely have some sort of "badass army" moment at the end... or, they'd BETTER beetnemesis - 07/02/2010 06:46:51 AM 730 Views

Re: The Tower will likely have some sort of "badass army" moment at the end... or, they'd BETTER lyringlas - 08/02/2010 05:43:52 PM 600 Views

I think the breaking of the tower was.... brett014 - 07/02/2010 07:55:48 AM 807 Views

Nice idea, that does seem to make sense in hindsight. Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 06:18:35 PM 603 Views

Yes, but that isn't the point. Cannoli - 08/02/2010 04:14:32 AM 689 Views

Re: Yes, but that isn't the point. brett014 - 08/02/2010 04:40:52 AM 670 Views

YES!! The SPLIT is important. So why is ENDING the split such a necessary goal? Cannoli - 08/02/2010 04:55:46 AM 595 Views

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YES!! The SPLIT is important. So why is ENDING the split such a necessary goal? brett014 - 08/02/2010 02:43:48 PM 698 Views

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YES!! The SPLIT is important. So why is ENDING the split such a necessary goal? Cannoli - 10/02/2010 09:49:59 PM 665 Views

Re: the wise ones. Lord Haart - 13/02/2010 10:21:55 AM 508 Views

They're not the biggest clan... fionwe1987 - 13/02/2010 02:20:38 PM 633 Views

Thank you Cannoli - 15/02/2010 01:24:05 PM 708 Views

No problem. *NM* fionwe1987 - 15/02/2010 09:05:11 PM 249 Views

Re: So what was the point of the White Tower struggle? Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 06:14:31 PM 709 Views

Re: The point was that Rand needed the division. Watcher - 07/02/2010 08:34:10 PM 658 Views

small disagreement darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 08:42:07 PM 598 Views

Re: small disagreement Cannoli - 08/02/2010 04:37:03 AM 532 Views

Egwene and Siuan have noted that there are plenty of the new Novices darius_sedai - 15/02/2010 04:22:35 PM 602 Views

Re: So what was the point of the White Tower struggle? Cannoli - 08/02/2010 04:34:52 AM 744 Views

Re: So what was the point of the White Tower struggle? Lord Haart - 08/02/2010 06:56:01 AM 611 Views

Such a resolution could have been a minor plot point like settling Tear or Cairhien Cannoli - 11/02/2010 11:53:41 PM 660 Views

Re: Such a resolution could have been a minor plot point like settling Tear or Cairhien Lord Haart - 13/02/2010 10:45:06 AM 674 Views

Re: So what was the point of the White Tower struggle? fairfax - 07/02/2010 10:42:27 PM 563 Views

These are reasons why the SPLIT is necessary. I was not questioning that. Cannoli - 08/02/2010 04:50:11 AM 743 Views

Re: These are reasons why the SPLIT is necessary. I was not questioning that. fairfax - 08/02/2010 05:47:36 AM 617 Views

Re: These are reasons why the SPLIT is necessary. I was not questioning that. orius - 13/02/2010 09:33:04 AM 491 Views

For that matter, what is the point of Andor? fionwe1987 - 08/02/2010 06:08:32 AM 655 Views

Re: For that matter, what is the point of Andor? brett014 - 08/02/2010 03:38:54 PM 605 Views

Especially true if Lord Haart - 08/02/2010 07:16:04 PM 567 Views

But Tar Valon is critical too. fionwe1987 - 08/02/2010 07:41:43 PM 617 Views

Really? Rurouni_Kenshin - 10/02/2010 05:30:02 AM 532 Views

Three women in a boat... fionwe1987 - 10/02/2010 09:12:41 PM 582 Views

Nothing is ever given as a location for that boat that I recall. Cannoli - 11/02/2010 11:54:39 PM 525 Views

So what? This is more or less true, but it has zero relevance to the issue of the Tower. Cannoli - 10/02/2010 10:13:56 PM 659 Views

Re: So what? This is more or less true, but it has zero relevance to the issue of the Tower. fionwe1987 - 12/02/2010 12:43:19 AM 700 Views

In this, I agree with Fionwe. Lord Haart - 13/02/2010 10:31:07 AM 544 Views

Re: So what? This is more or less true, but it has zero relevance to the issue of the Tower. Cannoli - 15/02/2010 02:23:57 PM 686 Views

Some good points, but I still disagree. Lord Haart - 15/02/2010 06:30:50 PM 590 Views

fionwe1987 - 15/02/2010 10:08:48 PM 662 Views

my thoughts Yunalesca - 09/02/2010 12:58:30 PM 764 Views

Belief and order give strength. Gher - 10/02/2010 11:20:01 PM 598 Views

To pad the last few books in order to make Egwene the Amyrlin. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/02/2010 05:25:22 PM 558 Views

I can't say I agree with the use of the term "padding". Lord Haart - 17/02/2010 06:07:25 PM 524 Views

Re: I can't say I agree with the use of the term "padding". RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/02/2010 11:05:44 PM 588 Views

To unite the Tower under competent leadership, of course. JasonD - 23/02/2010 04:55:02 AM 1039 Views

Does a main plotline HAVE to help defeat the DO? car'a'aman - 26/02/2010 04:11:30 PM 709 Views

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<quote id="79304">This was the obvious reason for the split.  My point for this post is, why was it so necessary to knit this organization back together under "good" leadership?  This is not really any more important than many of the other sideline plots, and probably less important than most.  The Tower struggle is only important for those personally involved, like the deaths of Perrin's family.  Sure it matters a lot to the people concerned, but it is not very significant in the big picture.</quote></quote>

<quote id="79304">I don't agree with that at all. Are you saying that a Tower divided has just as much meaning as the Tower whole? That is not even close to reality. The Tower whole is a force to be reckoned with by anyone, including Rand and the Black Tower. The Tower split was critical to the story because it prodded Rand in the direction the pattern needed him to go. Without the split atleast 1/2 of the important points in the whole series would have never happened (cleansing, Elayne in Andor, Perrin becoming a leader, the Seanchen would have never gained such a large foothold, the black tower would not exist, male channelers would not be around, healing of stilling, to just name a few). The tower struggle is one of the keys to the entire series, without it most things lose importance.</quote>  But why is it so important that Egwene win?  Why is it so important that this so-useful circumstance come to an end?  How does mending the Tower change things enough to be a crucial and vital factor in the small bit of story left?  No more than approximately a book and a half of time remains for the reunited Tower to do its part, and what can it do in that time than makes Egwene's victory a crucial issue?  If there is nothing really important left for it to do, Egwene's victory is one of those "for the future" issues, like the establishment of the school in Caemlyn, or the Seanchan abolition movement.</quote></quote>

<quote id="79304">Lets see... what can 600-700 full Aes Sedai and 1000's of other channelers do? They could form an alliance with Rand and turn back the hordes of trollocs. The Tower united under Egwene will be critical because she can work with Rand to help defeat the Dark One. Also by being united she can defeat the Seanchen or atleast push them back to keep them from conquering everything while Rand is busy elsewhere. The tower united is definitly one of those "for the future" issues, but it is also critical to the here and now in the story</quote>

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