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Re: from RJs lips to your ears ... Lord Haart Send a noteboard - 07/02/2010 08:04:57 PM
I merely read the series as RJ wanted it

laughable.


Not as laughable as claiming "the only dueling where a channeler tries to overpower is Nynaeve v. Moghedien".

Really, I can't think of many, if any, where pure skill is used over strength in a 1vs1.

Just because you WANT skill to matter more, doesn't mean that it does. Sure, it's not fair to those who are weaker in the OP. But life's unfair.

Now, if you argued that passion, intelligence, cunning, tactics or similar traits could give a weaker channeller an edge, then I'd probably agree. But thus far in the series, strength is King.

EotW - Aginor and Balthamel both use it vs Moiraine, Rand etc.

TSR - Rand beats Asmodean in a pure strength contest, winning solely due to his angreal.

TFoH - Rand uses strength more than skill against Lanfear.

TFoH - Again, Rand uses all his strength to BF Rahvin, the only possible way to save his friends.

TFoH - Ironically, you're claim that "the only dueling where a channeler tries to overpower is Nynaeve v. Moghedien" is no longer true at the end since Nynaeve beats Moggy using her wits, and NO power at all.

LoC - Rand uses his strength to break the shield on him so hard that 2 AS are stilled. Earlier, he constantly measures how safe he is from the AS by their strength and number, ignoring whether they are Red, Green or Brown. Skill doesn't factor in to Rand/LTT.

...That's enough for now, you get the drift, I've skipped plenty and I could go further in the series and add plenty more.
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Who would win in a fight? (yes, you read that right! ) Yondaime - 04/02/2010 10:38:01 PM 2745 Views
Gawyn. *chokes back the vomit that rushes up his throat* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/02/2010 10:53:37 PM 1510 Views
There there Yondaime - 04/02/2010 11:15:00 PM 1418 Views
Huh? He was even WORSE in TGS. Lord Haart - 05/02/2010 05:14:16 AM 1285 Views
I dunno. He actaully DID stuff this time Yondaime - 05/02/2010 05:24:48 AM 1357 Views
I agree he was much better than before darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 04:39:33 PM 1238 Views
It pains me to say it, but Gawyn would win. Jeordam - 04/02/2010 11:15:19 PM 1422 Views
Re: It pains me to say it, but Gawyn would win. Gerbeaud - 05/02/2010 01:13:52 AM 1344 Views
Gawyn is incredibly irritating Yondaime - 05/02/2010 01:55:40 AM 1362 Views
No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. Fanatic-Templar - 05/02/2010 10:21:45 PM 1272 Views
Re: No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. Datakim - 05/02/2010 10:44:47 PM 1280 Views
Re: No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. Fanatic-Templar - 05/02/2010 11:53:18 PM 1379 Views
Perhaps the key is that Gawyn is an even more simplistic thinker than Galad. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 06:20:06 AM 1239 Views
Again, what? When? Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 08:08:47 AM 1247 Views
Well, the fact that he's had access to one of the best educations in Randland Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 09:22:28 AM 1214 Views
Completely different subjects, and pretty insignificant, really. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 06:44:35 PM 888 Views
the person to beat Gawyn is Mat imlad - 06/02/2010 06:36:03 AM 1500 Views
Perrin would beat Lan?! *NM* BlackAdder - 06/02/2010 05:52:47 PM 1194 Views
Sure, Gawyn is better BlackAdder - 05/02/2010 02:26:45 AM 1275 Views
Re: Who would win in a fight? (yes, you read that right! ) MissKoalaVB - 05/02/2010 04:27:16 AM 1415 Views
Yondaime - 05/02/2010 04:47:17 AM 1133 Views
Add Nynaeve and Egwene to the fight, that's something worth seeing then. Lord Haart - 05/02/2010 05:20:53 AM 1401 Views
Egwene would hand Nynaeve her ass darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 04:55:51 PM 1362 Views
I agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 05/02/2010 05:10:34 PM 1305 Views
Re: I agree. darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 05:25:52 PM 1536 Views
You're forgeting Nynaeve's fight vs Trollocs in KoD. Lord Haart - 05/02/2010 07:41:28 PM 1405 Views
Re: You're forgeting Nynaeve's fight vs Trollocs in KoD. darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 09:42:32 PM 1345 Views
I just mentioned it since you said Egwene had more combat experience. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 06:21:38 AM 1283 Views
I think you are missunderstanding me darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 02:04:13 AM 1333 Views
Re: Egwene would hand Nynaeve her ass Datakim - 05/02/2010 07:49:27 PM 1886 Views
Totally agree. *NM* Skeeve the Great - 05/02/2010 07:52:48 PM 1309 Views
yet RJ has told us that Nynaeve would barely pass the AS test darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 09:41:09 PM 1313 Views
Re: yet RJ has told us that Nynaeve would barely pass the AS test Datakim - 05/02/2010 10:00:11 PM 1222 Views
Nynaeve might have trouble... Fanatic-Templar - 05/02/2010 10:24:56 PM 1319 Views
That's not what RJ said. He said Nynaeve would be a little hard pressed Skeeve the Great - 05/02/2010 10:18:42 PM 1123 Views
she might be a little hard pressed to pass a test she should pass without thought! darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 05:56:38 PM 1013 Views
Moiraine was hard pressed to pass, and she practiced for ages and is the #1 Battle AS. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 08:27:26 PM 1244 Views
she passed pretty easily IMO darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 09:12:13 PM 1320 Views
Just like Be'lal did? And Lanfear's already learned that lesson the hard way. Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 01:40:45 AM 1194 Views
Re: Just like Be'lal did? And Lanfear's already learned that lesson the hard way. darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:52:40 AM 1310 Views
Yes, but choosing the time to attack is part of how good a fighter someone is. Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 06:30:55 PM 1172 Views
The test for the Shawl has little to nothing to do with channeling, you know this right? *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 05/02/2010 10:23:16 PM 787 Views
Are you being serious? *NM* Sidious - 06/02/2010 08:57:33 AM 837 Views
of course it does darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 05:48:41 PM 1291 Views
That's not how it happens in New Spring. Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 07:00:52 PM 1189 Views
that's because Moiraine trained and is relatively skilled (for AS) darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 07:34:05 PM 1287 Views
That's nonsensical. Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 09:02:13 PM 1290 Views
It's what RJ said ... "too much specialization" darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 09:14:38 PM 1199 Views
Well, if RJ said it, I guess it must be true. Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 11:17:19 PM 1206 Views
*shrugs* darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 12:59:00 AM 1201 Views
Towers of Midnight spoilers: Fanatic-Templar - 09/11/2010 05:29:05 AM 1217 Views
Re: That's not how it happens in New Spring. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 08:28:52 PM 1187 Views
Right... Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 08:58:04 PM 1132 Views
About splitting weaves 14 ways Skeeve the Great - 05/02/2010 10:55:28 PM 1300 Views
Re: About splitting weaves 14 ways Datakim - 05/02/2010 11:08:50 PM 1135 Views
Can you provide that quote? darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 07:34:49 PM 1263 Views
Re: Can you provide that quote? Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 08:19:08 PM 1272 Views
Yup, plus those were complex weaves that may have required multiple flows. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 08:30:52 PM 1237 Views
there is nothing to say that multiple weaves are involved. darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 09:16:29 PM 1187 Views
That's the nature on the weaving. Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 09:24:39 PM 1244 Views
Not really darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 10:46:52 PM 1274 Views
Yes, really Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 10:55:22 PM 1294 Views
Re: Yes, really Datakim - 06/02/2010 11:29:17 PM 1177 Views
Re: Yes, really Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 11:48:14 PM 1171 Views
Re: Yes, really Datakim - 07/02/2010 12:18:12 AM 1238 Views
Oh! Forgot another analogy Datakim - 07/02/2010 01:13:27 AM 1201 Views
Re: Yes, really Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 01:46:14 AM 1190 Views
Re: Yes, really Datakim - 07/02/2010 01:59:44 AM 1121 Views
Re: Yes, really Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 06:36:48 PM 1186 Views
Re: Can you provide that quote? Datakim - 06/02/2010 10:14:24 PM 1173 Views
1 Blossom = 1 Weave ... there is nothing to say that each thread requires splitting flows darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 10:48:11 PM 1259 Views
Fine, I used the word weave when I should have used flow. 36 flows to create 12 weaves. *NM* Datakim - 06/02/2010 10:57:09 PM 761 Views
IMO fighting with the Power has little to do with skill Sidious - 06/02/2010 09:01:23 AM 1205 Views
Re: IMO fighting with the Power has little to do with skill Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 09:29:06 AM 1350 Views
I agree ... it's much like Rand's approach to Graendal darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 05:51:17 PM 1240 Views
so you've learned nothing from Cyndane v. Alivia. darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 05:45:19 PM 1161 Views
Cyndane v. Alivia are probably of similar strength. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 08:33:08 PM 1287 Views
Re: Cyndane v. Alivia are probably of similar strength. darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 09:17:40 PM 1281 Views
It's a lone example contested by many other examples Sidious - 07/02/2010 09:53:51 AM 1190 Views
the only dueling where a channeler tries to overpower is Nynaeve v. Moghedien darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:57:43 PM 1276 Views
Re: the only dueling where a channeler tries to overpower is Nynaeve v. Moghedien Sidious - 07/02/2010 04:25:57 PM 1188 Views
from RJs lips to your ears ... darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 06:55:27 PM 1291 Views
Re: from RJs lips to your ears ... Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 08:04:57 PM 1131 Views
Re: from RJs lips to your ears ... darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 08:20:31 PM 1122 Views
... but I can't let this one go... Sidious - 07/02/2010 11:09:04 PM 1369 Views
Thank you Robert, Sidious, Jordan darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 11:16:30 PM 1364 Views
Re: Thank you Robert, Sidious, Jordan Sidious - 08/02/2010 09:43:15 AM 1159 Views
Hmm... Sidious - 07/02/2010 11:05:00 PM 1191 Views
if you had points worth responding too I would ... as always you fall back on pretending you are RJ darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 11:07:37 PM 1269 Views
i.e. I back up my points by using RJ's written words and their validity irritates you *NM* Sidious - 07/02/2010 11:11:55 PM 1193 Views
Re: i.e. I back up my points by using RJ's written words and their validity irritates you darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 11:18:49 PM 1246 Views
Yeah, what's a couple of fights with a Forsaken? How's Egwene without her sa'angreal crutch? Cannoli - 05/02/2010 11:40:13 PM 1155 Views
I disagree Kieran - 06/02/2010 05:30:40 AM 1162 Views
Egwene never even got into that fight and we are talking about Lanfear darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 05:46:27 PM 1214 Views
Re: Egwene never even got into that fight and we are talking about Lanfear Kieran - 06/02/2010 08:23:20 PM 1200 Views
she got hit with a pain weave before she did a damn thing darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 09:21:11 PM 1220 Views
lol Kieran - 07/02/2010 01:55:18 AM 1219 Views
Go look below at some of the quotes I've provided darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:59:51 AM 1269 Views
If the Power was used, I would agree BlackAdder - 06/02/2010 05:59:14 PM 1214 Views
On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... fionwe1987 - 06/02/2010 10:43:43 PM 1137 Views
Exactly my point darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 10:49:49 PM 1153 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 11:12:27 PM 2448 Views
plenty of evidence that Nynaeve is unskilled outside of Healing darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:21:20 AM 1275 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... fionwe1987 - 07/02/2010 08:02:40 AM 1253 Views
There was one other very skilled Healer in the series... Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 06:44:41 PM 1190 Views
I'm sure she could if she bothered to train darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 06:57:17 PM 1030 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... Datakim - 06/02/2010 11:15:59 PM 1193 Views
Nope darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:26:19 AM 1228 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... fionwe1987 - 07/02/2010 08:21:19 AM 1388 Views
Egwene and Nynaeve had already confront each other Elvira_Sedai - 07/02/2010 08:45:23 AM 1319 Views
but whoever wins fistofpainx - 05/02/2010 04:54:52 AM 1252 Views
*nods* That's cuz ... Yondaime - 05/02/2010 05:26:57 AM 1316 Views
I actually think Lan would win darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 04:57:24 PM 1252 Views
Agreed Myrdhyn - 05/02/2010 08:22:26 PM 1228 Views
If it was for "real" Lan wins, in practice ... Gawyn could be the superior *NM* darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 09:43:20 PM 677 Views
I think Lan, hands down. Skeeve the Great - 05/02/2010 03:30:20 PM 1118 Views
THANK you. Cannoli - 05/02/2010 11:41:43 PM 9751 Views
Re: THANK you. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 06:26:04 AM 1230 Views
Gawyn and Galad have become tough Sidious - 06/02/2010 09:04:25 AM 1399 Views
Re: Gawyn and Galad have become tough Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 09:31:51 AM 1100 Views
Gawyn is destined to protect the Great Mother ( Egwene ) Elvira_Sedai - 05/02/2010 04:11:51 PM 1282 Views
You forgot that the Warder Matched Lan A LONG time ago. Lan stopped sparring. amirebram - 05/02/2010 08:42:49 PM 1098 Views
Hopper!!!!! *NM* NaClH2O - 06/02/2010 12:21:25 AM 777 Views
Hasn't Hopper already lost in a fight? *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 01:48:19 AM 745 Views
According to the Theoryland database RJ apparently said once... Etzel - 06/02/2010 08:55:50 AM 1281 Views
That can't be right, can it? BlackAdder - 06/02/2010 05:51:04 PM 1259 Views
Even in NS only Ryne is known to be better than Lan darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:57:29 AM 1314 Views
Huh .... Yondaime - 06/02/2010 06:23:10 PM 1268 Views
I don't recall Rand loosing to Riatin. Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 06:39:31 PM 1252 Views
Well, to be fair, the text doesn't mention much Yondaime - 07/02/2010 12:48:59 AM 1225 Views
Re: According to the Theoryland database RJ apparently said once... Gerbeaud - 06/02/2010 06:28:15 PM 1229 Views
"Gawhine"... I like it. *NM* Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 08:40:32 PM 767 Views
If Gawyn is the best because he defeated two Warders, what about Rand? Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 09:15:34 PM 1243 Views
These are pointless. Heiko - 09/02/2010 12:52:21 AM 1281 Views
These are scalar comparatives JasonD - 24/02/2010 09:45:11 PM 1250 Views
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