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Re: the only dueling where a channeler tries to overpower is Nynaeve v. Moghedien Sidious Send a noteboard - 07/02/2010 04:25:57 PM
And Verin makes the attempt with Graendal and she barely escapes with her life... RIP Kumira. Rather telling that the least skilled of the title characters (and AS) takes this tactic.

And Daigian is more skilled than Verin based on what? Overpowering a channeler is not just shielding. Flinn tried to overwhelm Demandred and he did a good job of it.

Also, why so many ter'angreal that melt weaves, or warn of danger etc... if all a woman really needed to survive during the breaking was a good strong angreal so she could overwhelm any attacker?


Which is exactly what we see a vision of Alnora taking the remaining sa'angreal and walking off into the distance during Rand's reminiscence of the Age of Legends. It's also exactly what Egwene did when faced by attackers, and Alivia too.

You think like the AS ... Strength is all that matters, it's rather laughable how much they rely on strength. I think RJ instituted the strength hierarchy as simply one more way of illustrating the foolishness of the AS. Sadly it actually seems to discourage AS from learning more about the OP!

Even the Forsaken don't seem all that concerned with Strength, beyond a general notation that the are all incredibly strong. Skill is what they use to differentiate themselves.


Yes they don't think about strength, except for the fact that they're all ridiculously strong in the Power :rolleyes: It's easy to forget about strength when you have so much of it. If Rand is only a tenth as skilled as them, it's a wonder he's killed all of them.

In fact, I don't only care about strength - I merely read the series as RJ wanted it. Nynaeve is not the only example. Rand runs headfirst at the male Forsaken and he doesn't defeat them with tremendous skill. He uses good old fashioned balefire, or fireballs or lightning. Even the Forsaken use that against Rand.

I'd love to be a skilled channeler more than a strong one, but I'm under no illusions in battle. There's almost a 100% chance that an enemy will throw their whole power at you in a single weave. It's happened again and again in the series, with very little to zero showing otherwise.

You recurrently bring these back to strength debates, but I'm merely saying that people don't get fancy when they're fighting. They use simple weaves and all their power. It's all over the series, man.

Pointing out Egwene's ability to split flows merely highlights her extraordinary skill, it's an example nothing more. But when put in the context of Nynaeve being "clumsy" I think it paints a picture.


Nynaeve has still defeated Moghedien, and Moghedien is more powerful and more skilled that Egwene is, and might ever be. What can Egwene claim that is anything more than an academic example?
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Re: Who would win in a fight? (yes, you read that right! ) - 05/02/2010 04:27:16 AM 1614 Views
- 05/02/2010 04:47:17 AM 1315 Views
Add Nynaeve and Egwene to the fight, that's something worth seeing then. - 05/02/2010 05:20:53 AM 1575 Views
Egwene would hand Nynaeve her ass - 05/02/2010 04:55:51 PM 1533 Views
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I think you are missunderstanding me - 07/02/2010 02:04:13 AM 1532 Views
Re: Egwene would hand Nynaeve her ass - 05/02/2010 07:49:27 PM 2083 Views
Totally agree. *NM* - 05/02/2010 07:52:48 PM 1464 Views
yet RJ has told us that Nynaeve would barely pass the AS test - 05/02/2010 09:41:09 PM 1480 Views
Re: yet RJ has told us that Nynaeve would barely pass the AS test - 05/02/2010 10:00:11 PM 1382 Views
Nynaeve might have trouble... - 05/02/2010 10:24:56 PM 1502 Views
That's not what RJ said. He said Nynaeve would be a little hard pressed - 05/02/2010 10:18:42 PM 1279 Views
she might be a little hard pressed to pass a test she should pass without thought! - 06/02/2010 05:56:38 PM 1190 Views
Moiraine was hard pressed to pass, and she practiced for ages and is the #1 Battle AS. - 06/02/2010 08:27:26 PM 1405 Views
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Are you being serious? *NM* - 06/02/2010 08:57:33 AM 920 Views
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*shrugs* - 07/02/2010 12:59:00 AM 1362 Views
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Right... - 06/02/2010 08:58:04 PM 1291 Views
About splitting weaves 14 ways - 05/02/2010 10:55:28 PM 1472 Views
Re: About splitting weaves 14 ways - 05/02/2010 11:08:50 PM 1336 Views
Can you provide that quote? - 06/02/2010 07:34:49 PM 1419 Views
Re: Can you provide that quote? - 06/02/2010 08:19:08 PM 1469 Views
there is nothing to say that multiple weaves are involved. - 06/02/2010 09:16:29 PM 1356 Views
That's the nature on the weaving. - 06/02/2010 09:24:39 PM 1419 Views
Not really - 06/02/2010 10:46:52 PM 1453 Views
Yes, really - 06/02/2010 10:55:22 PM 1442 Views
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Re: Yes, really - 06/02/2010 11:48:14 PM 1344 Views
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Oh! Forgot another analogy - 07/02/2010 01:13:27 AM 1353 Views
Re: Yes, really - 07/02/2010 01:46:14 AM 1380 Views
Re: Yes, really - 07/02/2010 01:59:44 AM 1308 Views
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Re: IMO fighting with the Power has little to do with skill - 06/02/2010 09:29:06 AM 1517 Views
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Cyndane v. Alivia are probably of similar strength. - 06/02/2010 08:33:08 PM 1480 Views
Re: Cyndane v. Alivia are probably of similar strength. - 06/02/2010 09:17:40 PM 1452 Views
It's a lone example contested by many other examples - 07/02/2010 09:53:51 AM 1411 Views
the only dueling where a channeler tries to overpower is Nynaeve v. Moghedien - 07/02/2010 01:57:43 PM 1479 Views
Re: the only dueling where a channeler tries to overpower is Nynaeve v. Moghedien - 07/02/2010 04:25:57 PM 1385 Views
from RJs lips to your ears ... - 07/02/2010 06:55:27 PM 1435 Views
Re: from RJs lips to your ears ... - 07/02/2010 08:04:57 PM 1311 Views
Re: from RJs lips to your ears ... - 07/02/2010 08:20:31 PM 1285 Views
... but I can't let this one go... - 07/02/2010 11:09:04 PM 1550 Views
Thank you Robert, Sidious, Jordan - 07/02/2010 11:16:30 PM 1548 Views
Re: Thank you Robert, Sidious, Jordan - 08/02/2010 09:43:15 AM 1384 Views
Hmm... - 07/02/2010 11:05:00 PM 1364 Views
I disagree - 06/02/2010 05:30:40 AM 1346 Views
Egwene never even got into that fight and we are talking about Lanfear - 06/02/2010 05:46:27 PM 1398 Views
Re: Egwene never even got into that fight and we are talking about Lanfear - 06/02/2010 08:23:20 PM 1393 Views
she got hit with a pain weave before she did a damn thing - 06/02/2010 09:21:11 PM 1378 Views
lol - 07/02/2010 01:55:18 AM 1384 Views
Go look below at some of the quotes I've provided - 07/02/2010 01:59:51 AM 1459 Views
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Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... - 06/02/2010 11:15:59 PM 1397 Views
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Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... - 07/02/2010 08:21:19 AM 1598 Views
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Hopper!!!!! *NM* - 06/02/2010 12:21:25 AM 878 Views
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That can't be right, can it? - 06/02/2010 05:51:04 PM 1446 Views
Even in NS only Ryne is known to be better than Lan - 07/02/2010 01:57:29 AM 1500 Views
Huh .... - 06/02/2010 06:23:10 PM 1433 Views
I don't recall Rand loosing to Riatin. - 06/02/2010 06:39:31 PM 1418 Views
Well, to be fair, the text doesn't mention much - 07/02/2010 12:48:59 AM 1382 Views
Re: According to the Theoryland database RJ apparently said once... - 06/02/2010 06:28:15 PM 1394 Views
"Gawhine"... I like it. *NM* - 06/02/2010 08:40:32 PM 858 Views
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These are pointless. - 09/02/2010 12:52:21 AM 1442 Views
These are scalar comparatives - 24/02/2010 09:45:11 PM 1409 Views

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