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Re: In her defense, she has no way of getting in contact with him Cannoli Send a noteboard - 07/02/2010 02:43:13 AM

Whats to stop Egwene from traveling to Elayne and using her bond with Rand to track him down?

Well, she has no clue about the bond, so why would she think to do this? Even those who know something about it have no clue about Elayne's role. Birgitte is the only person outside that bond who knows of it, and given the danger it represents to Elayne, I doubt she would reveal it even under torture.

I thought that the reason Elayne and Aviendha did not travel to the cleansing, was because they were worried that Rand would think they were attacking and strike at them. And Aviendha was correct in this.

That was one of several reasons, including they might create a fatal distraction or disrupt whatever was going on and all of those reasonings are still valid. Elayne has no way of knowing what Rand is doing - a decision to go visit him could have dropped her into the middle of either fight with Semirhage, or the Trolloc attack, the attack on Graendal, meeting with Hurin, approaching Ituralde, or a bubble of evil.

However that would hardly apply in a normal situation where Rand&Co are not performing a huge channeling task and expecting attack from the forsaken. There might be wards to detect "unauthorised" traveling around Rands camp, but I very much doubt the first reaction of the AS/Asha'man would be to attack in a peacefull situation. Especially once they see its a pregnant woman.

How are they supposed to see that? She is not showing as far as she has been mentioned, and in any event, she could just as easily pop in during a danger situation or tense moment as a period of respite.

Or what about using Need? I cannot see much more important than "Needing" to find Rand to warn him about black ajah that could assassinate him at any moment. Egwene is skilled in dreaming and could locate Rand's position that way. Or she could try and contact Nynaeve's dreams and warn her, since she knows that Nynaeve is with Rand. She has done that before.

She hasn't had any luck with that as of CoT. IIRC, Nynaeve is avoiding contact with her. And what can need tell her? She might Need to know where Rand is, but how can she be sure what he is up to or what she will be intruding on, or if the most prominent Traveller in the world will still be there when she leaves Tel'Aran'Rhiod to Travel to his location. She could wake to find the few seconds since she located him in Tel'Aran'Rhiod translated into several hours in the Real World (as happened to Elayne in WH), and Rand is long gone.

Or what abou the wise ones? Egwene could contact them and they could warn Rand. Elayne knows that the Aiel (including the WO) left to join Rand afterall.

Politics. She doesn't want to expose any shameful things about the Tower to the Wise Ones who already have a low opinion of the Aes Sedai. They might just take it upon themselves to see justice done, and Egwene is emphatically opposed to anyone, no matter who justified acting against Aes Sedai in such a unilateral manner.

Or Egwene could find the dreams of other of Rand's allies such as Bashere or such and transmit a message that way.

How could she identify & use the dreams of such people when she has never met them and knows nothing of where they are in proximity to Rand?

Egwene could easily contact Rand with just a little time and effort, if she thought it worth it. But apparently she does not consider warning the Dragon Reborn important.

Well, he's not Egwene after all, to be making friends with them, and chatting in his tent late at night with them, and letting them massage him. Rand can handle himself and really doesn't need her help. Not that I disagree that SOME indication she was interested in helping would be most welcome.

Cannoli
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I was wrong about Egwene. Cannoli - 06/02/2010 09:46:43 AM 1984 Views

BTW, I am the god of Irony. Bow to me. *NM* Cannoli - 06/02/2010 09:47:20 AM 421 Views

I think that if there's a real message to take out of this Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 02:55:47 PM 843 Views

yes she's politically shrewd if completely amoral Zaphod - 06/02/2010 05:03:19 PM 754 Views

Re: yes she's politically shrewd if completely amoral Gerbeaud - 06/02/2010 06:08:40 PM 784 Views

In her defense, she has no way of getting in contact with him Cannoli - 06/02/2010 11:28:37 PM 835 Views

Re: In her defense, she has no way of getting in contact with him Datakim - 06/02/2010 11:47:04 PM 628 Views

Re: In her defense, she has no way of getting in contact with him Cannoli - 07/02/2010 02:43:13 AM 688 Views

Re: In her defense, she has no way of getting in contact with him Gerbeaud - 07/02/2010 11:13:39 PM 807 Views

I might agree with her on your projected Verin scenario Cannoli - 06/02/2010 11:35:47 PM 941 Views

It really is her most defining quality beetnemesis - 06/02/2010 06:27:17 PM 646 Views

That was nothing. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 08:48:39 PM 625 Views

The only mitigating factor was that she had already dumped Rand at that time beetnemesis - 06/02/2010 11:34:45 PM 756 Views

Re: The only mitigating factor was that she had already dumped Rand at that time Cannoli - 06/02/2010 11:51:48 PM 652 Views

Hah! beetnemesis - 07/02/2010 02:22:30 PM 619 Views

There was a nice beginning - "Cannoli: I was wrong about Egwene"...

Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 06:42:18 PM 684 Views

I think the title summarizes years of debate *NM* Sidious - 07/02/2010 09:26:35 AM 514 Views

A point to understand about Egwene as a ruler... (Incoming wall'o'text... vandevere - 07/02/2010 06:43:43 PM 817 Views

Sure, way to convince me. Compare her to two of the most despicable Anglophonic rulers in history Cannoli - 08/02/2010 05:18:55 AM 743 Views

I like Egwene. Helene - 08/02/2010 10:22:14 AM 655 Views

And the greater good always conveniently requires her being in charge or getting more power *NM* Cannoli - 12/02/2010 12:19:05 AM 302 Views

Yes, just like for Rand. *NM* fionwe1987 - 12/02/2010 12:24:57 AM 261 Views

And the rest of the Randland Justice League. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 12/02/2010 05:25:38 PM 265 Views

Re: Rand goes out of his way to discarge authority to others; Egwene, well hopefully in the future *NM* Knightscape - 13/02/2010 04:20:31 AM 307 Views

Ummm... what? When? *NM* fionwe1987 - 13/02/2010 04:53:50 AM 254 Views

Like his Stewards & supporting loyal rulers. *NM* Cannoli - 15/02/2010 02:30:32 PM 295 Views

Darlin, Caroline, Elayne, Ituralde, Bashere, Logain, Rhuarc, etc. Lord Haart - 15/02/2010 05:57:05 PM 760 Views

Oh you mean all those guys he treats like his personal b*tches? *NM* darius_sedai - 15/02/2010 06:10:17 PM 380 Views

Re: Oh you mean all those guys he treats like his personal b*tches? BlackAdder - 16/02/2010 08:10:02 PM 660 Views

Agreed, that's what I've been saying. Lord Haart - 16/02/2010 08:23:14 PM 650 Views

Well, Egwene has lackeys too! fionwe1987 - 15/02/2010 08:12:17 PM 567 Views

Re: Well, Egwene has lackeys too! Lord Haart - 15/02/2010 10:37:50 PM 547 Views

And she does not delegate to them. And no, sorting out rank among minions is not delegating power Cannoli - 15/02/2010 11:00:03 PM 955 Views

Rand can certainly be domineering, but nowhere near as much as Egwene. Lord Haart - 13/02/2010 06:31:15 AM 764 Views

right, because she's threatened to hang people who disobey, or bodily thrown people out of her rooms darius_sedai - 15/02/2010 06:11:18 PM 564 Views

She's in a different environment. What serious challenge has she faced? Lord Haart - 15/02/2010 06:54:53 PM 583 Views

people like her in real life are not likeable, but they are necessary in society. mazza3 - 08/02/2010 09:55:35 PM 658 Views

Yup, hopefully she'll be killed, then stilled. BlackAdder - 13/02/2010 11:03:51 PM 546 Views

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<quote>Whats to stop Egwene from traveling to Elayne and using her bond with Rand to track him down?</quote>  Well, she has no clue about the bond, so why would she think to do this?  Even those who know something about it have no clue about Elayne's role.  Birgitte is the only person outside that bond who knows of it, and given the danger it represents to Elayne, I doubt she would reveal it even under torture.

<quote> I thought that the reason Elayne and Aviendha did not travel to the cleansing, was because they were worried that Rand would think they were attacking and strike at them. And Aviendha was correct in this.</quote> That was one of several reasons, including they might create a fatal distraction or disrupt whatever was going on and all of those reasonings are still valid.  Elayne has no way of knowing what Rand is doing - a decision to go visit him could have dropped her into the middle of either fight with Semirhage, or the Trolloc attack, the attack on Graendal, meeting with Hurin, approaching Ituralde, or a bubble of evil.

<quote>However that would hardly apply in a normal situation where Rand&Co are not performing a huge channeling task and expecting attack from the forsaken. There might be wards to detect "unauthorised" traveling around Rands camp, but I very much doubt the first reaction of the AS/Asha'man would be to attack in a peacefull situation. Especially once they see its a pregnant woman.</quote> How are they supposed to see that?  She is not showing as far as she has been mentioned, and in any event, she could just as easily pop in during a danger situation or tense moment as a period of respite.

<quote>Or what about using Need? I cannot see much more important than "Needing" to find Rand to warn him about black ajah that could assassinate him at any moment. Egwene is skilled in dreaming and could locate Rand's position that way. Or she could try and contact Nynaeve's dreams and warn her, since she knows that Nynaeve is with Rand. She has done that before.</quote> She hasn't had any luck with that as of CoT.  IIRC, Nynaeve is avoiding contact with her.  And what can need tell her?  She might Need to know where Rand is, but how can she be sure what he is up to or what she will be intruding on, or if the most prominent Traveller in the world will still be there when she leaves Tel'Aran'Rhiod to Travel to his location.  She could wake to find the few seconds since she located him in Tel'Aran'Rhiod translated into several hours in the Real World (as happened to Elayne in WH), and Rand is long gone.

<quote>Or what abou the wise ones? Egwene could contact them and they could warn Rand. Elayne knows that the Aiel (including the WO) left to join Rand afterall.</quote>  Politics.  She doesn't want to expose any shameful things about the Tower to the Wise Ones who already have a low opinion of the Aes Sedai.  They might just take it upon themselves to see justice done, and Egwene is emphatically opposed to anyone, no matter who justified acting against Aes Sedai in such a unilateral manner.

<quote>Or Egwene could find the dreams of other of Rand's allies such as Bashere or such and transmit a message that way.</quote> How could she identify & use the dreams of such people when she has never met them and knows nothing of where they are in proximity to Rand?

<quote>Egwene could easily contact Rand with just a little time and effort, if she thought it worth it. But apparently she does not consider warning the Dragon Reborn important.</quote> Well, he's not Egwene after all, to be making friends with them, and chatting in his tent late at night with them, and letting them massage him.  Rand can handle himself and really doesn't need her help.  Not that I disagree that SOME indication she was interested in helping would be most welcome. 
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