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Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... Skeeve the Great Send a noteboard - 06/02/2010 11:12:27 PM
Without any doubt, Nynaeve is a clumsy weaver. Not because she's inherently unskilled but because she never practices and has shown no dedication to improve her skill.


That's a stretch. Nowhere in the book it stated that Nynaeve is clumsy weaver. It stated several times that she doesn't pay attention to studies if it's not involved the Healing. But that is not the same as clumsy. In many regards, Nynaeve is exceptional weaver. As shown from POV of Elayne.


Egwene, on the other hand, is shown to be a master at anything the Aes Sedai can weave,

If we compare them to Aes Sedai, then Nynaeve long ago overpassed Aes Sedai. Here is the quote from WOT Wiki: "She has some favorable skill in battle: whenever threatened in the early books she would call down lightning and spew fireballs with an ease most Accepted (and even Aes Sedai) would have trouble matching, once even using balefire which only a few living Aes Sedai even have knowledge about"
Remember how Nynaeve was in battle in earlier books.


As RJ's statement showed, Egwene would breeze through the Aes Sedai test while Nynaeve, despite greater strength, would not. The test checks for one thing... weaving under pressure, and also using channeling to tackle other obstacles and distractions.

It is clear that Nynaeve will have to rely entirely on her strength for this, and that is going to be tiring. Someone like Egwene or Elayne, with their greater practice and broader knowledge, will not have this problem.

That's not what RJ implied and your assumtion is simply wrong. RJ implied that Nynaeve is not intersted in anything that is not involve Healing. That's why passing test for her would be a little hard. As a channeling under stress - she tackled Moggy and I don't think it was very calm situation. So again, you assumtion that she's not capable to tackle obstacles and distractions are simply baseless.


Over and above that, Egwene remains the only person who could make 14 weaves at once. Sure, Rand or someone might match that, but we haven't seen it. Rand says he can make up to 12 weaves at one go, and that is all we have evidence for.

We've seen Rand doing 100 Arrows of Fire at once. And we've seen Nynaeve doing mutlitple very complex weaving that Elayne can't comprehend at all. And we've been told that are SuperGirls (Avi, Elayne, Egwene) are pretty much evenly matched.
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Who would win in a fight? (yes, you read that right! ) Yondaime - 04/02/2010 10:38:01 PM 2746 Views
Gawyn. *chokes back the vomit that rushes up his throat* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/02/2010 10:53:37 PM 1511 Views
There there Yondaime - 04/02/2010 11:15:00 PM 1423 Views
Huh? He was even WORSE in TGS. Lord Haart - 05/02/2010 05:14:16 AM 1286 Views
I dunno. He actaully DID stuff this time Yondaime - 05/02/2010 05:24:48 AM 1357 Views
I agree he was much better than before darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 04:39:33 PM 1239 Views
It pains me to say it, but Gawyn would win. Jeordam - 04/02/2010 11:15:19 PM 1427 Views
Re: It pains me to say it, but Gawyn would win. Gerbeaud - 05/02/2010 01:13:52 AM 1348 Views
Gawyn is incredibly irritating Yondaime - 05/02/2010 01:55:40 AM 1364 Views
No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. Fanatic-Templar - 05/02/2010 10:21:45 PM 1273 Views
Re: No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. Datakim - 05/02/2010 10:44:47 PM 1282 Views
Re: No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. Fanatic-Templar - 05/02/2010 11:53:18 PM 1379 Views
Perhaps the key is that Gawyn is an even more simplistic thinker than Galad. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 06:20:06 AM 1242 Views
Again, what? When? Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 08:08:47 AM 1249 Views
Well, the fact that he's had access to one of the best educations in Randland Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 09:22:28 AM 1215 Views
Completely different subjects, and pretty insignificant, really. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 06:44:35 PM 888 Views
the person to beat Gawyn is Mat imlad - 06/02/2010 06:36:03 AM 1501 Views
Perrin would beat Lan?! *NM* BlackAdder - 06/02/2010 05:52:47 PM 1194 Views
Sure, Gawyn is better BlackAdder - 05/02/2010 02:26:45 AM 1279 Views
Re: Who would win in a fight? (yes, you read that right! ) MissKoalaVB - 05/02/2010 04:27:16 AM 1417 Views
Yondaime - 05/02/2010 04:47:17 AM 1137 Views
Add Nynaeve and Egwene to the fight, that's something worth seeing then. Lord Haart - 05/02/2010 05:20:53 AM 1405 Views
Egwene would hand Nynaeve her ass darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 04:55:51 PM 1363 Views
I agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 05/02/2010 05:10:34 PM 1306 Views
Re: I agree. darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 05:25:52 PM 1536 Views
You're forgeting Nynaeve's fight vs Trollocs in KoD. Lord Haart - 05/02/2010 07:41:28 PM 1406 Views
Re: You're forgeting Nynaeve's fight vs Trollocs in KoD. darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 09:42:32 PM 1345 Views
I just mentioned it since you said Egwene had more combat experience. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 06:21:38 AM 1283 Views
I think you are missunderstanding me darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 02:04:13 AM 1333 Views
Re: Egwene would hand Nynaeve her ass Datakim - 05/02/2010 07:49:27 PM 1887 Views
Totally agree. *NM* Skeeve the Great - 05/02/2010 07:52:48 PM 1309 Views
yet RJ has told us that Nynaeve would barely pass the AS test darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 09:41:09 PM 1313 Views
Re: yet RJ has told us that Nynaeve would barely pass the AS test Datakim - 05/02/2010 10:00:11 PM 1222 Views
Nynaeve might have trouble... Fanatic-Templar - 05/02/2010 10:24:56 PM 1321 Views
That's not what RJ said. He said Nynaeve would be a little hard pressed Skeeve the Great - 05/02/2010 10:18:42 PM 1123 Views
she might be a little hard pressed to pass a test she should pass without thought! darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 05:56:38 PM 1013 Views
Moiraine was hard pressed to pass, and she practiced for ages and is the #1 Battle AS. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 08:27:26 PM 1245 Views
she passed pretty easily IMO darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 09:12:13 PM 1321 Views
Just like Be'lal did? And Lanfear's already learned that lesson the hard way. Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 01:40:45 AM 1196 Views
Re: Just like Be'lal did? And Lanfear's already learned that lesson the hard way. darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:52:40 AM 1310 Views
Yes, but choosing the time to attack is part of how good a fighter someone is. Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 06:30:55 PM 1173 Views
The test for the Shawl has little to nothing to do with channeling, you know this right? *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 05/02/2010 10:23:16 PM 788 Views
Are you being serious? *NM* Sidious - 06/02/2010 08:57:33 AM 837 Views
of course it does darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 05:48:41 PM 1294 Views
That's not how it happens in New Spring. Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 07:00:52 PM 1189 Views
that's because Moiraine trained and is relatively skilled (for AS) darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 07:34:05 PM 1287 Views
That's nonsensical. Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 09:02:13 PM 1290 Views
It's what RJ said ... "too much specialization" darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 09:14:38 PM 1200 Views
Well, if RJ said it, I guess it must be true. Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 11:17:19 PM 1207 Views
*shrugs* darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 12:59:00 AM 1201 Views
Towers of Midnight spoilers: Fanatic-Templar - 09/11/2010 05:29:05 AM 1218 Views
Re: That's not how it happens in New Spring. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 08:28:52 PM 1187 Views
Right... Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 08:58:04 PM 1135 Views
About splitting weaves 14 ways Skeeve the Great - 05/02/2010 10:55:28 PM 1303 Views
Re: About splitting weaves 14 ways Datakim - 05/02/2010 11:08:50 PM 1135 Views
Can you provide that quote? darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 07:34:49 PM 1263 Views
Re: Can you provide that quote? Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 08:19:08 PM 1272 Views
Yup, plus those were complex weaves that may have required multiple flows. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 08:30:52 PM 1237 Views
there is nothing to say that multiple weaves are involved. darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 09:16:29 PM 1187 Views
That's the nature on the weaving. Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 09:24:39 PM 1245 Views
Not really darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 10:46:52 PM 1275 Views
Yes, really Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 10:55:22 PM 1294 Views
Re: Yes, really Datakim - 06/02/2010 11:29:17 PM 1178 Views
Re: Yes, really Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 11:48:14 PM 1171 Views
Re: Yes, really Datakim - 07/02/2010 12:18:12 AM 1238 Views
Oh! Forgot another analogy Datakim - 07/02/2010 01:13:27 AM 1201 Views
Re: Yes, really Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 01:46:14 AM 1190 Views
Re: Yes, really Datakim - 07/02/2010 01:59:44 AM 1121 Views
Re: Yes, really Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 06:36:48 PM 1186 Views
Re: Can you provide that quote? Datakim - 06/02/2010 10:14:24 PM 1174 Views
1 Blossom = 1 Weave ... there is nothing to say that each thread requires splitting flows darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 10:48:11 PM 1259 Views
Fine, I used the word weave when I should have used flow. 36 flows to create 12 weaves. *NM* Datakim - 06/02/2010 10:57:09 PM 761 Views
IMO fighting with the Power has little to do with skill Sidious - 06/02/2010 09:01:23 AM 1209 Views
Re: IMO fighting with the Power has little to do with skill Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 09:29:06 AM 1351 Views
I agree ... it's much like Rand's approach to Graendal darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 05:51:17 PM 1241 Views
so you've learned nothing from Cyndane v. Alivia. darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 05:45:19 PM 1161 Views
Cyndane v. Alivia are probably of similar strength. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 08:33:08 PM 1287 Views
Re: Cyndane v. Alivia are probably of similar strength. darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 09:17:40 PM 1281 Views
It's a lone example contested by many other examples Sidious - 07/02/2010 09:53:51 AM 1190 Views
the only dueling where a channeler tries to overpower is Nynaeve v. Moghedien darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:57:43 PM 1279 Views
Re: the only dueling where a channeler tries to overpower is Nynaeve v. Moghedien Sidious - 07/02/2010 04:25:57 PM 1188 Views
from RJs lips to your ears ... darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 06:55:27 PM 1292 Views
Re: from RJs lips to your ears ... Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 08:04:57 PM 1132 Views
Re: from RJs lips to your ears ... darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 08:20:31 PM 1122 Views
... but I can't let this one go... Sidious - 07/02/2010 11:09:04 PM 1370 Views
Thank you Robert, Sidious, Jordan darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 11:16:30 PM 1365 Views
Re: Thank you Robert, Sidious, Jordan Sidious - 08/02/2010 09:43:15 AM 1159 Views
Hmm... Sidious - 07/02/2010 11:05:00 PM 1191 Views
if you had points worth responding too I would ... as always you fall back on pretending you are RJ darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 11:07:37 PM 1273 Views
i.e. I back up my points by using RJ's written words and their validity irritates you *NM* Sidious - 07/02/2010 11:11:55 PM 1195 Views
Re: i.e. I back up my points by using RJ's written words and their validity irritates you darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 11:18:49 PM 1247 Views
Yeah, what's a couple of fights with a Forsaken? How's Egwene without her sa'angreal crutch? Cannoli - 05/02/2010 11:40:13 PM 1157 Views
I disagree Kieran - 06/02/2010 05:30:40 AM 1163 Views
Egwene never even got into that fight and we are talking about Lanfear darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 05:46:27 PM 1215 Views
Re: Egwene never even got into that fight and we are talking about Lanfear Kieran - 06/02/2010 08:23:20 PM 1201 Views
she got hit with a pain weave before she did a damn thing darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 09:21:11 PM 1220 Views
lol Kieran - 07/02/2010 01:55:18 AM 1224 Views
Go look below at some of the quotes I've provided darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:59:51 AM 1270 Views
If the Power was used, I would agree BlackAdder - 06/02/2010 05:59:14 PM 1214 Views
On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... fionwe1987 - 06/02/2010 10:43:43 PM 1138 Views
Exactly my point darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 10:49:49 PM 1155 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 11:12:27 PM 2450 Views
plenty of evidence that Nynaeve is unskilled outside of Healing darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:21:20 AM 1275 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... fionwe1987 - 07/02/2010 08:02:40 AM 1254 Views
There was one other very skilled Healer in the series... Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 06:44:41 PM 1191 Views
I'm sure she could if she bothered to train darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 06:57:17 PM 1030 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... Datakim - 06/02/2010 11:15:59 PM 1196 Views
Nope darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:26:19 AM 1228 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... fionwe1987 - 07/02/2010 08:21:19 AM 1388 Views
Egwene and Nynaeve had already confront each other Elvira_Sedai - 07/02/2010 08:45:23 AM 1319 Views
but whoever wins fistofpainx - 05/02/2010 04:54:52 AM 1254 Views
*nods* That's cuz ... Yondaime - 05/02/2010 05:26:57 AM 1317 Views
I actually think Lan would win darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 04:57:24 PM 1252 Views
Agreed Myrdhyn - 05/02/2010 08:22:26 PM 1228 Views
If it was for "real" Lan wins, in practice ... Gawyn could be the superior *NM* darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 09:43:20 PM 677 Views
I think Lan, hands down. Skeeve the Great - 05/02/2010 03:30:20 PM 1119 Views
THANK you. Cannoli - 05/02/2010 11:41:43 PM 9755 Views
Re: THANK you. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 06:26:04 AM 1231 Views
Gawyn and Galad have become tough Sidious - 06/02/2010 09:04:25 AM 1399 Views
Re: Gawyn and Galad have become tough Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 09:31:51 AM 1100 Views
Gawyn is destined to protect the Great Mother ( Egwene ) Elvira_Sedai - 05/02/2010 04:11:51 PM 1282 Views
You forgot that the Warder Matched Lan A LONG time ago. Lan stopped sparring. amirebram - 05/02/2010 08:42:49 PM 1098 Views
Hopper!!!!! *NM* NaClH2O - 06/02/2010 12:21:25 AM 777 Views
Hasn't Hopper already lost in a fight? *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 01:48:19 AM 745 Views
According to the Theoryland database RJ apparently said once... Etzel - 06/02/2010 08:55:50 AM 1282 Views
That can't be right, can it? BlackAdder - 06/02/2010 05:51:04 PM 1259 Views
Even in NS only Ryne is known to be better than Lan darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:57:29 AM 1317 Views
Huh .... Yondaime - 06/02/2010 06:23:10 PM 1269 Views
I don't recall Rand loosing to Riatin. Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 06:39:31 PM 1252 Views
Well, to be fair, the text doesn't mention much Yondaime - 07/02/2010 12:48:59 AM 1229 Views
Re: According to the Theoryland database RJ apparently said once... Gerbeaud - 06/02/2010 06:28:15 PM 1231 Views
"Gawhine"... I like it. *NM* Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 08:40:32 PM 769 Views
If Gawyn is the best because he defeated two Warders, what about Rand? Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 09:15:34 PM 1243 Views
These are pointless. Heiko - 09/02/2010 12:52:21 AM 1281 Views
These are scalar comparatives JasonD - 24/02/2010 09:45:11 PM 1251 Views
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