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I think we disagree with what "subtle" means here. Sareitha Sedai Send a noteboard - 03/02/2010 07:46:20 PM
And heavy Compulsion of the variety Graendal uses is said to be much more damaging.



She doesn't *only* use the heavy Compulsion. When it comes to her pets, she basically whipes their mind and rebuilds with what she wants. That isn't to say that she cannot do subtle forms of Compulsion...as we know that she can, since the other Forsaken acknowledge this.

~Jeordam


I think the "subtler" form she is capable of is more like what's going on with Kerb...He's able to do much more than just adore her, but is still brain damaged to the point where he cannot function (or even survive) once the Compulsion is lifted. My point is simply that EVEN if Graendal used the lightest, subtlest touch of Compulsion we've ever seen there should have been some effect on Ramshalan (sp?) if it were lifted as opposed to if it never existed.
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one of the reasons I'm at a loss with her death ... along with the lead-up being clumsy *NM* darius_sedai - 01/02/2010 09:36:29 PM 704 Views
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Exactly how I feel ... to the letter! *NM* darius_sedai - 01/02/2010 11:17:57 PM 565 Views
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I am now split with a 80% belief it's Graendal and 20% that it's Moghedien *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 06:11:47 PM 394 Views
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The a'dam doesn't limit your ability to enter T'A'R RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 06:36:26 PM 644 Views
Yeah..... Jeordam - 02/02/2010 06:46:50 PM 847 Views
Re: Yeah..... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 07:42:59 PM 638 Views
This brings up a very intersting question... Jeordam - 02/02/2010 09:30:49 PM 856 Views
Re: This brings up a very intersting question... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 09:57:24 PM 654 Views
Moghedien? Really? fionwe1987 - 02/02/2010 07:56:33 PM 726 Views
when was Semirhage in an a'dam? *NM* darius_sedai - 02/02/2010 08:48:27 PM 390 Views
Re: Moghedien? Really? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 09:03:54 PM 647 Views
Egwene was faintly forkrooted, not heavily. Fanatic-Templar - 02/02/2010 10:24:55 PM 646 Views
It was heavy enough to nullify her ability almost completely by TGS RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 10:38:04 PM 561 Views
That's still extremely faint. Fanatic-Templar - 02/02/2010 11:07:10 PM 645 Views
Re: That's still extremely faint. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2010 03:34:06 PM 691 Views
Re: Moghedien? Really? fionwe1987 - 03/02/2010 01:02:13 AM 590 Views
Re: Moghedien? Really? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2010 03:31:21 PM 805 Views
The chance that Moggy killed Asmo is actually 0 % Etzel - 02/02/2010 09:32:03 PM 717 Views
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Well, I completely disagree, but that's another discussion. *NM* Etzel - 02/02/2010 07:07:05 PM 374 Views
Yes, I agree. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 03:26:13 PM 512 Views
As bad as Sammael's death. *NM* Kieran - 03/02/2010 02:00:02 AM 370 Views
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IMO Sareitha Sedai - 02/02/2010 05:58:10 PM 701 Views
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Verin was using her angreal when she compelled. *NM* fionwe1987 - 02/02/2010 08:00:50 PM 420 Views
Danke for clarification. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 08:15:39 PM 580 Views
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Wow. Sareitha Sedai - 02/02/2010 06:00:11 PM 703 Views
Never underestimate.... Jeordam - 02/02/2010 06:08:42 PM 623 Views
"Oh, no... Rand is totally going to balefire me!" *NM* TaskmasterJack - 03/02/2010 08:50:26 PM 358 Views
A conclusion with an explanation built around it. Fanatic-Templar - 02/02/2010 10:22:29 PM 741 Views
Hah! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 10:38:38 PM 568 Views
I miss Diomedes . *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 02/02/2010 11:07:45 PM 331 Views
So...like the theory of Macro Evolution? People seem to believe that..... Jeordam - 02/02/2010 11:22:41 PM 733 Views
... Fanatic-Templar - 03/02/2010 01:23:06 AM 640 Views
Ok...I'm just saying... Jeordam - 03/02/2010 04:00:46 PM 815 Views
I don't mean to make any generalisations about you, and I'm sorry if that's what I sounded like. Fanatic-Templar - 04/02/2010 12:24:34 AM 676 Views
That's ridiculous rAndy aL - 02/02/2010 11:39:41 PM 688 Views
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Your theory breaks down because of something Brandon said. Logain - 03/02/2010 03:49:58 AM 624 Views
Kind of Lord Haart - 03/02/2010 04:10:04 AM 695 Views
I disagree. Gher - 03/02/2010 05:31:39 AM 571 Views
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Two things come to mind... Jeordam - 03/02/2010 03:50:38 PM 768 Views
I don't really think this is relevant Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2010 05:03:51 PM 686 Views
There's a difference.... Jeordam - 03/02/2010 06:01:30 PM 737 Views
I know there is. You're the one who brought up the weaves being picked apart Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2010 06:37:40 PM 714 Views
*grins* Jeordam - 03/02/2010 06:42:54 PM 729 Views
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sure we do darius_sedai - 03/02/2010 07:03:40 PM 594 Views
Each of them was at the very least confused/disoriented afterwards. Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2010 07:14:24 PM 578 Views
But here's the thing... Jeordam - 03/02/2010 07:36:42 PM 691 Views
I think we disagree with what "subtle" means here. Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2010 07:46:20 PM 619 Views
Kerb was more subtle than most, but we've seen subtler. Gher - 04/02/2010 05:16:33 PM 817 Views
Re: Each of them was at the very least confused/disoriented afterwards. darius_sedai - 03/02/2010 07:37:58 PM 570 Views
... Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2010 07:42:07 PM 648 Views
Re: ... darius_sedai - 03/02/2010 07:59:26 PM 613 Views
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Hrm Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2010 08:36:12 PM 798 Views
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Thanks *NM* Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2010 08:47:29 PM 368 Views
Now try and not lynch me... Jeordam - 03/02/2010 04:08:11 PM 690 Views
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