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In the same scene Etzel Send a noteboard - 01/02/2010 05:36:45 PM
Most of all I believe Moridin wanted to gain Rand's trust by revealing this secret.

Doubtful, IMO. Moridin knows that Rand knows that he used to be Ishamael. And therefore (unless he's a complete moron) he knows that Rand will never trust him, regardless of what he says or does.


Moridin also tries to tempt Rand again by saying that the DO could heal his madness or resurrect Ilyena. Therefore I definitely think that Moridin tries to make Rand a bit more trusting here (even if this fails; though Rand doesn't attack Moridin at least).

It seems possible that Mordin even thought that Rand already learned about this final balefire-death, e.g. from Asmo, LTT or Semirhage. After all, Rand also used balefire against Rahvin.

Perhaps, but then revealing the info himself would serve no purpose.


But considering his aim to get Rand's trust, it wouldn't hurt to reveal it, but might make Rand more trustful.

Besides that, Moridin might consider that this revelation won't matter much anyway, because any Forsaken who will die now won't be transmigrated anymore, since TG is simply too close (Osan'gar apparently wasn't transmigrated).

They might still be transmigrated after TG, if the DO wins. I would think most of the Forsaken hold out that hope.


Moridin states in this scene that he believes that the DO win end everything, if he wins.

Plus, what about the potential danger to himself? Does Moridin not care, or does he think he's somehow immune to that possibility?


Moridin might not care. On the other hand, he might even consider that this would harm Rand as well, because of their link.

Finally, it might of course destabilize the Pattern, if Rand and other Lightside channelers use balefire more deliberately, which helps the Shadow.

True, but encouraging Rand to go after the Chosen with that BF seems contradictory to the goal of the Shadow winning. Presumably, they are still needed. Could Moridin & the DO really view the BFing of the Chosen as a net gain? BFing one or two Chosen isn't going to affect the Pattern that much - seemingly less than the amount of chaos each Chosen causes in the Pattern with their various schemes, etc.

Seems like a net loss, to me. Maybe not with what Rand did to Graendal, since he wiped out a whole bunch of people, but in general it would seem like a net loss.


As said, I think Moridin especially wanted to gain trust. But of course, he likely wouldn't really care if Rand balefires the other Forsaken, since they are competitors. If Rand balefires Moridin, it might even hurt Rand himself. However, that Rand & Co. might lose their constraints to use balefire might be good for the Shadow.
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Why did Moridin reveal that balefire prevents transmigration? Shishka - 01/02/2010 03:41:30 PM 1484 Views
I think it's #2. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 01/02/2010 04:21:39 PM 828 Views
Re: I think it's #2. Shishka - 01/02/2010 05:29:20 PM 628 Views
Re: I think it's #2. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 01/02/2010 05:51:20 PM 725 Views
I see what you mean. Shishka - 01/02/2010 06:28:24 PM 665 Views
Nods darius_sedai - 01/02/2010 09:37:51 PM 593 Views
Hahahahahahaha. That's hilarious. "I think its #2." Classic! callandor1000 - 01/02/2010 10:39:19 PM 1195 Views
Yep, I'm not really 100% on most things in the series unless there is no doubt. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 08:03:31 PM 516 Views
No, I mean, #2 means "shit". HAHAHAHA!!! *NM* callandor1000 - 04/02/2010 10:25:45 PM 352 Views
Obviously #2 fionwe1987 - 01/02/2010 04:42:24 PM 610 Views
Re: Obviously #2 Shishka - 01/02/2010 05:47:31 PM 644 Views
I have a fairly controversial answer... fionwe1987 - 01/02/2010 08:16:31 PM 603 Views
Re: I have a fairly controversial answer... Shishka - 01/02/2010 08:48:20 PM 614 Views
I agree that it is difficult... fionwe1987 - 01/02/2010 09:49:38 PM 489 Views
Re: I agree that it is difficult... darius_sedai - 01/02/2010 10:46:56 PM 568 Views
Moridin probably just wanted the access key to prevent the Cleansing Etzel - 02/02/2010 10:26:11 AM 7020 Views
no reason to take the tool that allowed Rand to Cleanse saidin? darius_sedai - 02/02/2010 01:34:59 PM 587 Views
We don't even know if SH knew about the access key in the box Etzel - 02/02/2010 02:09:32 PM 509 Views
So the DO's Hand doesn't know about the AK? And we have a quote with Elza's orders where? darius_sedai - 02/02/2010 02:14:58 PM 530 Views
If Elza had the order to take the access key, she would have taken it Etzel - 02/02/2010 02:29:08 PM 535 Views
As I've said a million times... I'm on the fence with this theory darius_sedai - 02/02/2010 03:52:31 PM 987 Views
Again: there wasn't a Forsaken near the opened box. *NM* Etzel - 02/02/2010 04:22:32 PM 486 Views
So SH is the idiot? Okay! darius_sedai - 02/02/2010 04:59:36 PM 599 Views
He might not know about the access key in the box or have other priorities. *NM* Etzel - 02/02/2010 07:20:36 PM 455 Views
Elza certainly knows what it is darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 06:40:46 PM 498 Views
Re: So the DO's Hand doesn't know about the AK? And we have a quote with Elza's orders where? Lord Haart - 02/02/2010 08:00:20 PM 621 Views
You are actually supporting my point darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 06:39:32 PM 570 Views
Because Moridin sees it for what it is: a tool. Lord Haart - 05/02/2010 07:56:15 PM 730 Views
It's a mix, IMO Etzel - 01/02/2010 05:00:07 PM 603 Views
Re: It's a mix, IMO Shishka - 01/02/2010 05:20:42 PM 669 Views
In the same scene Etzel - 01/02/2010 05:36:45 PM 632 Views
Re: In the same scene Shishka - 01/02/2010 07:16:56 PM 565 Views
Personally... Etzel - 02/02/2010 09:53:07 AM 477 Views
#3 IMO, though I kind of hope it was #2. *NM* Lord Haart - 01/02/2010 05:37:32 PM 298 Views
#4 - Maybe Sandokat - 01/02/2010 07:05:33 PM 542 Views
Re: #4 - Maybe Shishka - 01/02/2010 07:23:17 PM 581 Views
i dont think Morodin needs trust super nova - 01/02/2010 11:57:20 PM 621 Views
#4 - Part of his intoxication DomA - 02/02/2010 06:26:35 AM 528 Views
Hmmm ... Shishka - 02/02/2010 02:47:54 PM 562 Views
#3 - Moridin is the WoT Goth BlackAdder - 02/02/2010 04:31:09 PM 535 Views
Re: Why did Moridin reveal that balefire prevents transmigration? saidarisnowtainted - 24/02/2010 02:01:01 PM 599 Views
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