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Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 27/01/2010 04:05:23 AM
Because one sudden death can be attributed to natural causes. Two sudden deaths in the same place will arouse suspicion.


Nynaeve didn't believe that the messenger's death was accidental (nor did anyone else, really, except those in charge of the prisoners.) Your excuse is invalid.


Nope. If she is alive, we can explain everything in the book.


Right, I forgot that "why did a man Copmpelled to poison a prisoner poison a prisoner" is something you consider an inescapable plot hole, but an insane, pointless scheme requiring omniscience on the part of someone who has never displayed such powers is perfectly rational, the lack of a good reason why Rand's Compulsion was erased is perfectly rational, and the complete inconsistency in the narrative is perfectly rational.

Your speculation is marginally less credible than Light in the Night's The Mirror World Switch.
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Graendal's death would imply a major logical flaw in the story. - 25/01/2010 05:18:23 PM 2743 Views
I think Graendal's death was a great scene - 25/01/2010 05:26:51 PM 1476 Views
The scene itself was great. The rest is crap. - 25/01/2010 05:37:44 PM 1275 Views
After reading 12 WoT books... - 25/01/2010 05:46:31 PM 1378 Views
You also ignored... - 25/01/2010 08:15:34 PM 1389 Views
and of course, the obvious theme - 25/01/2010 09:02:56 PM 1196 Views
Bah! - 25/01/2010 11:49:33 PM 1339 Views
It's possible that this was mainly written by BS - 26/01/2010 12:03:03 PM 1309 Views
I agree that the set up for her death was rather lame - 25/01/2010 06:14:07 PM 1543 Views
I agree and have my own additional notes as to why I don't think she is dead. - 25/01/2010 06:18:30 PM 1336 Views
Re: I agree and have my own additional notes as to why I don't think she is dead. - 25/01/2010 06:44:34 PM 1273 Views
well one of her major character parallels is Josef Mengel - 25/01/2010 06:54:43 PM 1094 Views
Can you think of any way that would explain the Compulsion vanishing? - 25/01/2010 07:52:40 PM 1095 Views
that's kind of my whole point - 25/01/2010 08:43:19 PM 1025 Views
Uh, not actually at all really - 25/01/2010 09:07:52 PM 1328 Views
*shudders* - 26/01/2010 02:27:35 AM 1195 Views
*shrugs* - 26/01/2010 08:47:21 AM 1229 Views
None of those "easy explanations" could work - 26/01/2010 07:14:16 AM 1132 Views
my entire problem with the scene is that it just felt too open ended - 26/01/2010 08:58:37 AM 1211 Views
Can't she knot it to disapate after being examined once? - 26/01/2010 03:43:55 AM 1056 Views
Do we have evidence that this is possible? - 26/01/2010 03:44:48 AM 1219 Views
why would Graendal do that anyway? - 26/01/2010 04:26:38 AM 1227 Views
Re: why would Graendal do that anyway? - 03/02/2010 02:52:32 AM 1169 Views
Re: I agree and have my own additional notes as to why I don't think she is dead. - 26/01/2010 02:03:51 AM 1289 Views
I'm glad you think Be'lal is alive. - 26/01/2010 07:38:40 AM 1042 Views
Re: I'm glad you think Be'lal is alive. - 26/01/2010 08:49:00 AM 1241 Views
Re: I'm glad you think Be'lal is alive. - 26/01/2010 09:19:35 AM 1021 Views
- 26/01/2010 11:42:04 AM 1225 Views
Didn't Balthamel and Aginor leave corpses? - 26/01/2010 04:35:19 PM 1213 Views
Re: Didn't Balthamel and Aginor leave corpses? - 26/01/2010 07:06:01 PM 1090 Views
Re: - 26/01/2010 04:44:06 PM 1198 Views
He was balefired by a direct stream in front of at least two credible witnesses. - 26/01/2010 04:10:13 PM 1196 Views
Me, Too. - 28/01/2010 08:00:09 PM 1193 Views
Re: I agree and have my own additional notes as to why I don't think she is dead. - 25/01/2010 08:56:16 PM 1309 Views
I believe she's dead - 25/01/2010 09:06:37 PM 1141 Views
Re: I believe she's dead - 25/01/2010 09:09:58 PM 1189 Views
I don't think she would have taught anyone - 25/01/2010 09:18:03 PM 1010 Views
The compulsion did not disappear immediately. Read the damned scene! - 25/01/2010 11:54:02 PM 1311 Views
Re: The compulsion did not disappear immediately. Read the damned scene! - 26/01/2010 01:22:57 AM 1065 Views
Stop passing judgments... - 26/01/2010 02:05:21 AM 1252 Views
But your theories are becoming increasingly farfetched - 26/01/2010 04:21:21 AM 1123 Views
I repeat that I find her "death" monumental... - 26/01/2010 07:16:13 PM 1103 Views
Re: I repeat that I find her "death" monumental... - 26/01/2010 07:23:29 PM 1133 Views
Dude, then you derailed the thread... - 26/01/2010 07:31:55 PM 1039 Views
Not really - 26/01/2010 07:35:06 PM 1146 Views
Re: Not really - 26/01/2010 07:45:20 PM 1214 Views
Re: Not really - 28/01/2010 04:27:17 PM 1134 Views
Re: Stop passing judgments... - 26/01/2010 04:40:37 PM 1099 Views
*NM* - 26/01/2010 05:00:10 PM 602 Views
Everyone can see residues- only a select few can "read" them - 26/01/2010 07:42:19 AM 1153 Views
no she said she wouldn't risk strength and skill in the same place - 26/01/2010 08:51:31 AM 1065 Views
Re: no she said she wouldn't risk strength and skill in the same place - 26/01/2010 11:37:26 AM 1193 Views
read the whole quote - 26/01/2010 04:35:17 PM 891 Views
LOL! You read the whole quote - 26/01/2010 07:00:41 PM 1003 Views
the risk she won't take is strength and skill residing together. - 27/01/2010 12:40:09 AM 1082 Views
Re: the risk she won't take is strength and skill residing together. - 28/01/2010 04:28:21 PM 1221 Views
I don't see any flaws. - 25/01/2010 09:14:44 PM 1257 Views
But... - 25/01/2010 11:44:49 PM 1011 Views
Re: But... - 26/01/2010 01:14:51 AM 1149 Views
That is what I thought ... - 26/01/2010 01:24:18 AM 1065 Views
That still doesn't make sense. - 26/01/2010 02:23:12 AM 1243 Views
But, having a clean up guy does make sense. - 26/01/2010 03:02:13 AM 1278 Views
But the clean up guy would require another clean up guy! - 26/01/2010 03:35:44 AM 1128 Views
Re: But the clean up guy would require another clean up guy! - 26/01/2010 04:12:41 AM 1059 Views
Nonsense. - 26/01/2010 07:50:04 AM 995 Views
Dude, read what I said please... - 26/01/2010 07:21:52 PM 1177 Views
Re: Dude, read what I said please... - 26/01/2010 09:28:25 PM 1161 Views
Kerb had no initiative... he was under too heavy a Compulsion to think for himself - 27/01/2010 12:45:47 AM 1047 Views
I think he had some, albeit probably not a whole lot - 27/01/2010 01:03:44 AM 1103 Views
Nynaeve and Elayne were under a weaker compulsion... - 27/01/2010 03:10:52 AM 921 Views
We don't know that, exactly - 27/01/2010 03:50:44 AM 993 Views
If you cannot provide an answer... - 27/01/2010 03:10:40 AM 1073 Views
Seriously? - 27/01/2010 03:55:57 AM 1096 Views
Maybe... - 27/01/2010 11:08:10 AM 1056 Views
Messenger was running around being obvious. Noone would suspect Kerb though. Case Closed. *NM* - 26/01/2010 11:08:16 AM 750 Views
Thank the creator you're not in the police then. *NM* - 26/01/2010 07:22:29 PM 690 Views
Ok, in more detail: - 26/01/2010 08:16:30 PM 1172 Views
I'm tired of making this point... - 26/01/2010 08:39:22 PM 914 Views
Re: I'm tired of making this point... - 26/01/2010 08:44:51 PM 1096 Views
Thoughts - 26/01/2010 01:05:45 AM 1011 Views
But that means she's dead - 26/01/2010 01:20:19 AM 1054 Views
Re: But that means she's dead - 26/01/2010 05:31:25 AM 1150 Views
Nope. Ramshalan was just "collecting taxes" or something. - 26/01/2010 11:10:25 AM 990 Views
Re: Nope. Ramshalan was NOT just "collecting taxes" or something. - 26/01/2010 05:41:17 PM 1062 Views
By, the way, if I understand this correctly... - 26/01/2010 04:49:45 PM 1226 Views
Indeed... - 26/01/2010 05:13:53 PM 1235 Views
Re: Indeed... - 26/01/2010 07:04:40 PM 1057 Views
I'm not arguing she's alive, but... - 26/01/2010 07:29:42 PM 1076 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... - 26/01/2010 07:58:41 PM 1067 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... - 26/01/2010 09:42:52 PM 881 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... - 27/01/2010 03:26:46 AM 1089 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... - 27/01/2010 04:05:23 AM 1197 Views
That's not fair - 27/01/2010 04:09:38 AM 1036 Views
I agree about the 'awesome' part . - 27/01/2010 05:41:00 AM 1014 Views
I just think it's funny that what you call omniscience has been done by the Forsaken before. - 27/01/2010 02:02:44 PM 1010 Views
But Graendal was the victim of a greater plot. - 27/01/2010 05:30:28 PM 1117 Views
So your response is that Ishamael/Moridin is omniscient, not Graendal. - 27/01/2010 05:57:20 PM 1181 Views
Give me one example. Just one. *NM* - 27/01/2010 06:52:44 PM 716 Views
Ishamael plans millennia ahead by sowing the seeds for the Black Ajah, the Seanchan and the current - 28/01/2010 01:57:39 PM 1181 Views
Not even comparable. - 28/01/2010 06:31:06 PM 945 Views
Re: Not even comparable. - 28/01/2010 07:50:38 PM 1057 Views
Could you please take the effort to read my posts? - 28/01/2010 10:45:01 PM 1010 Views
Re: Could you please take the effort to read my posts? - 29/01/2010 03:49:43 PM 1061 Views
Re: Could you please take the effort to read my posts? - 29/01/2010 06:40:43 PM 1045 Views
And, just to double post: - 27/01/2010 07:12:17 PM 828 Views
Re: And, just to double post: - 27/01/2010 08:25:45 PM 1097 Views
Nice answer. - 28/01/2010 12:10:27 AM 1153 Views
Re: Nice answer. - 28/01/2010 01:55:16 PM 1081 Views
Hilarious. - 28/01/2010 06:36:22 PM 1190 Views
Re: Hilarious. - 28/01/2010 07:15:20 PM 1082 Views
Re: Hilarious. - 28/01/2010 07:41:29 PM 1097 Views
Re: Hilarious. - 28/01/2010 07:53:34 PM 947 Views
Re: Hilarious. - 28/01/2010 10:55:57 PM 1130 Views
That's because you didn't look at other posts. - 29/01/2010 03:37:08 PM 1079 Views
Moridin's main directive was.. - 29/01/2010 03:57:41 PM 1114 Views
Re: Moridin's main directive was.. - 29/01/2010 04:50:16 PM 1155 Views
Preventing order wasn't accomplished... - 29/01/2010 05:12:22 PM 1116 Views
I disagree. - 29/01/2010 05:28:59 PM 1506 Views
You expect me to search every post you've made on this forum, ever? - 29/01/2010 06:50:49 PM 1036 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... - 27/01/2010 01:00:42 AM 1063 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... - 27/01/2010 03:26:56 AM 1112 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... - 27/01/2010 05:35:39 AM 1086 Views
I don't see a flaw - 27/01/2010 06:24:44 AM 1173 Views
Re: I don't see a flaw - 27/01/2010 04:18:27 PM 1120 Views
Let's give you one logic path for Millisair being poisoned. - 27/01/2010 05:47:04 PM 1107 Views
Spot on. *NM* - 28/01/2010 04:09:26 AM 708 Views
I don't think there's a flaw, I think you misinterpret Graendal's plans - 27/01/2010 06:57:44 PM 1088 Views
Good point on Ituralde - he may still be Compulsed in ways we're yet to discover. *NM* - 28/01/2010 04:11:15 AM 690 Views
Compulsion is limited - 28/01/2010 04:30:24 PM 1071 Views
Re: Compulsion is limited - 28/01/2010 06:35:05 PM 1202 Views
Re: Compulsion is limited - 28/01/2010 08:26:37 PM 979 Views
Re: Graendal's death would imply a major logical flaw in the story. - 27/01/2010 09:11:32 PM 1070 Views
There's really no further purpose for her character. - 09/02/2010 10:52:58 PM 1154 Views

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