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Seriously? Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 27/01/2010 03:55:57 AM
... stop saying that everything makes sense.


That is absurd. I don't need to know why she was being executed. You're the one stating it doesn't make sense, you're the one who should explain why - as I have pointed out, there are a number of reasons why she could have been poisoned, and not knowing which one does not invalidate the fact that as long as at least one of them is sensible, the poisoning of Milisair is not a logical flaw. Trying to find a specific one would be mostly guesswork, obviously I won't do that.

What you have here is quite puzzling. You could be trying to find an answer to why Milisair was poisoned, which you find to be without one, and instead imagine far-fetched and nonsensical schemes as well as imagined loppholes in the balefire-Compulsion in order to answer why Graendal appears dead. You could answer the first question - about Milisair's death - with a tenth of the effort and imagination required to make Graendal live once more.

Kerb had no initiative. He was too heavily compelled, remember?


He had sufficient initiative to operate on a daily basis. He also had sufficient initiative to run after Nynaeve found out Milisair had been poisoned.

But let's assume you're right. Maybe Kerb poisoned the prisoner because his Compulsion was to poison the prisoner, and he didn't have the rational ability to realise that only meant the original messenger.


Uhhh? The woman was imprisoned and totally out of favor with Rand. Exactly how was she to help Rand bring order to Arad Doman? Using her Council vote? That seems little for Graendal to risk so much.


Councilors are in insufficient numbers as is, Rand even figures Graendal probably didn't leave enough alive to elect a King, so obviously it is worth such a minuscule risk to Graendal. The more reasonable argument is the opposite, actually. Since there are already insufficient people on the Council of Merchants, why bother killing one more?
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Graendal's death would imply a major logical flaw in the story. - 25/01/2010 05:18:23 PM 2951 Views
I think Graendal's death was a great scene - 25/01/2010 05:26:51 PM 1712 Views
The scene itself was great. The rest is crap. - 25/01/2010 05:37:44 PM 1528 Views
After reading 12 WoT books... - 25/01/2010 05:46:31 PM 1582 Views
You also ignored... - 25/01/2010 08:15:34 PM 1575 Views
and of course, the obvious theme - 25/01/2010 09:02:56 PM 1434 Views
Bah! - 25/01/2010 11:49:33 PM 1567 Views
It's possible that this was mainly written by BS - 26/01/2010 12:03:03 PM 1504 Views
I agree that the set up for her death was rather lame - 25/01/2010 06:14:07 PM 1733 Views
I agree and have my own additional notes as to why I don't think she is dead. - 25/01/2010 06:18:30 PM 1537 Views
Re: I agree and have my own additional notes as to why I don't think she is dead. - 25/01/2010 06:44:34 PM 1478 Views
well one of her major character parallels is Josef Mengel - 25/01/2010 06:54:43 PM 1275 Views
Can you think of any way that would explain the Compulsion vanishing? - 25/01/2010 07:52:40 PM 1310 Views
that's kind of my whole point - 25/01/2010 08:43:19 PM 1250 Views
Uh, not actually at all really - 25/01/2010 09:07:52 PM 1551 Views
*shudders* - 26/01/2010 02:27:35 AM 1418 Views
*shrugs* - 26/01/2010 08:47:21 AM 1461 Views
None of those "easy explanations" could work - 26/01/2010 07:14:16 AM 1364 Views
my entire problem with the scene is that it just felt too open ended - 26/01/2010 08:58:37 AM 1419 Views
Can't she knot it to disapate after being examined once? - 26/01/2010 03:43:55 AM 1313 Views
Do we have evidence that this is possible? - 26/01/2010 03:44:48 AM 1451 Views
why would Graendal do that anyway? - 26/01/2010 04:26:38 AM 1446 Views
Re: why would Graendal do that anyway? - 03/02/2010 02:52:32 AM 1358 Views
Re: I agree and have my own additional notes as to why I don't think she is dead. - 26/01/2010 02:03:51 AM 1458 Views
I'm glad you think Be'lal is alive. - 26/01/2010 07:38:40 AM 1234 Views
Re: I'm glad you think Be'lal is alive. - 26/01/2010 08:49:00 AM 1426 Views
Re: I'm glad you think Be'lal is alive. - 26/01/2010 09:19:35 AM 1249 Views
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Didn't Balthamel and Aginor leave corpses? - 26/01/2010 04:35:19 PM 1440 Views
Re: Didn't Balthamel and Aginor leave corpses? - 26/01/2010 07:06:01 PM 1310 Views
Re: - 26/01/2010 04:44:06 PM 1423 Views
He was balefired by a direct stream in front of at least two credible witnesses. - 26/01/2010 04:10:13 PM 1434 Views
Me, Too. - 28/01/2010 08:00:09 PM 1403 Views
Re: I agree and have my own additional notes as to why I don't think she is dead. - 25/01/2010 08:56:16 PM 1497 Views
I believe she's dead - 25/01/2010 09:06:37 PM 1353 Views
Re: I believe she's dead - 25/01/2010 09:09:58 PM 1391 Views
I don't think she would have taught anyone - 25/01/2010 09:18:03 PM 1264 Views
The compulsion did not disappear immediately. Read the damned scene! - 25/01/2010 11:54:02 PM 1508 Views
Re: The compulsion did not disappear immediately. Read the damned scene! - 26/01/2010 01:22:57 AM 1264 Views
Stop passing judgments... - 26/01/2010 02:05:21 AM 1465 Views
But your theories are becoming increasingly farfetched - 26/01/2010 04:21:21 AM 1347 Views
I repeat that I find her "death" monumental... - 26/01/2010 07:16:13 PM 1321 Views
Re: I repeat that I find her "death" monumental... - 26/01/2010 07:23:29 PM 1356 Views
Dude, then you derailed the thread... - 26/01/2010 07:31:55 PM 1228 Views
Not really - 26/01/2010 07:35:06 PM 1346 Views
Re: Not really - 26/01/2010 07:45:20 PM 1429 Views
Re: Not really - 28/01/2010 04:27:17 PM 1334 Views
Re: Stop passing judgments... - 26/01/2010 04:40:37 PM 1316 Views
*NM* - 26/01/2010 05:00:10 PM 700 Views
Everyone can see residues- only a select few can "read" them - 26/01/2010 07:42:19 AM 1393 Views
no she said she wouldn't risk strength and skill in the same place - 26/01/2010 08:51:31 AM 1282 Views
Re: no she said she wouldn't risk strength and skill in the same place - 26/01/2010 11:37:26 AM 1440 Views
read the whole quote - 26/01/2010 04:35:17 PM 1069 Views
LOL! You read the whole quote - 26/01/2010 07:00:41 PM 1218 Views
the risk she won't take is strength and skill residing together. - 27/01/2010 12:40:09 AM 1275 Views
Re: the risk she won't take is strength and skill residing together. - 28/01/2010 04:28:21 PM 1394 Views
I don't see any flaws. - 25/01/2010 09:14:44 PM 1490 Views
But... - 25/01/2010 11:44:49 PM 1231 Views
Re: But... - 26/01/2010 01:14:51 AM 1382 Views
That is what I thought ... - 26/01/2010 01:24:18 AM 1266 Views
That still doesn't make sense. - 26/01/2010 02:23:12 AM 1477 Views
But, having a clean up guy does make sense. - 26/01/2010 03:02:13 AM 1476 Views
But the clean up guy would require another clean up guy! - 26/01/2010 03:35:44 AM 1304 Views
Re: But the clean up guy would require another clean up guy! - 26/01/2010 04:12:41 AM 1280 Views
Nonsense. - 26/01/2010 07:50:04 AM 1193 Views
Dude, read what I said please... - 26/01/2010 07:21:52 PM 1399 Views
Re: Dude, read what I said please... - 26/01/2010 09:28:25 PM 1362 Views
Kerb had no initiative... he was under too heavy a Compulsion to think for himself - 27/01/2010 12:45:47 AM 1235 Views
I think he had some, albeit probably not a whole lot - 27/01/2010 01:03:44 AM 1289 Views
Nynaeve and Elayne were under a weaker compulsion... - 27/01/2010 03:10:52 AM 1134 Views
We don't know that, exactly - 27/01/2010 03:50:44 AM 1183 Views
If you cannot provide an answer... - 27/01/2010 03:10:40 AM 1273 Views
Seriously? - 27/01/2010 03:55:57 AM 1314 Views
Maybe... - 27/01/2010 11:08:10 AM 1244 Views
Messenger was running around being obvious. Noone would suspect Kerb though. Case Closed. *NM* - 26/01/2010 11:08:16 AM 847 Views
Thank the creator you're not in the police then. *NM* - 26/01/2010 07:22:29 PM 806 Views
Ok, in more detail: - 26/01/2010 08:16:30 PM 1400 Views
I'm tired of making this point... - 26/01/2010 08:39:22 PM 1143 Views
Re: I'm tired of making this point... - 26/01/2010 08:44:51 PM 1304 Views
Thoughts - 26/01/2010 01:05:45 AM 1221 Views
But that means she's dead - 26/01/2010 01:20:19 AM 1294 Views
Re: But that means she's dead - 26/01/2010 05:31:25 AM 1386 Views
Nope. Ramshalan was just "collecting taxes" or something. - 26/01/2010 11:10:25 AM 1189 Views
Re: Nope. Ramshalan was NOT just "collecting taxes" or something. - 26/01/2010 05:41:17 PM 1257 Views
By, the way, if I understand this correctly... - 26/01/2010 04:49:45 PM 1487 Views
Indeed... - 26/01/2010 05:13:53 PM 1450 Views
Re: Indeed... - 26/01/2010 07:04:40 PM 1304 Views
I'm not arguing she's alive, but... - 26/01/2010 07:29:42 PM 1303 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... - 26/01/2010 07:58:41 PM 1263 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... - 26/01/2010 09:42:52 PM 1061 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... - 27/01/2010 03:26:46 AM 1333 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... - 27/01/2010 04:05:23 AM 1409 Views
That's not fair - 27/01/2010 04:09:38 AM 1262 Views
I agree about the 'awesome' part . - 27/01/2010 05:41:00 AM 1208 Views
I just think it's funny that what you call omniscience has been done by the Forsaken before. - 27/01/2010 02:02:44 PM 1223 Views
But Graendal was the victim of a greater plot. - 27/01/2010 05:30:28 PM 1339 Views
So your response is that Ishamael/Moridin is omniscient, not Graendal. - 27/01/2010 05:57:20 PM 1434 Views
Give me one example. Just one. *NM* - 27/01/2010 06:52:44 PM 820 Views
Ishamael plans millennia ahead by sowing the seeds for the Black Ajah, the Seanchan and the current - 28/01/2010 01:57:39 PM 1375 Views
Not even comparable. - 28/01/2010 06:31:06 PM 1138 Views
Re: Not even comparable. - 28/01/2010 07:50:38 PM 1276 Views
Could you please take the effort to read my posts? - 28/01/2010 10:45:01 PM 1233 Views
Re: Could you please take the effort to read my posts? - 29/01/2010 03:49:43 PM 1283 Views
Re: Could you please take the effort to read my posts? - 29/01/2010 06:40:43 PM 1281 Views
And, just to double post: - 27/01/2010 07:12:17 PM 1033 Views
Re: And, just to double post: - 27/01/2010 08:25:45 PM 1357 Views
Nice answer. - 28/01/2010 12:10:27 AM 1333 Views
Re: Nice answer. - 28/01/2010 01:55:16 PM 1277 Views
Hilarious. - 28/01/2010 06:36:22 PM 1407 Views
Re: Hilarious. - 28/01/2010 07:15:20 PM 1282 Views
Re: Hilarious. - 28/01/2010 07:41:29 PM 1308 Views
Re: Hilarious. - 28/01/2010 07:53:34 PM 1167 Views
Re: Hilarious. - 28/01/2010 10:55:57 PM 1338 Views
That's because you didn't look at other posts. - 29/01/2010 03:37:08 PM 1277 Views
Moridin's main directive was.. - 29/01/2010 03:57:41 PM 1322 Views
Re: Moridin's main directive was.. - 29/01/2010 04:50:16 PM 1400 Views
Preventing order wasn't accomplished... - 29/01/2010 05:12:22 PM 1327 Views
I disagree. - 29/01/2010 05:28:59 PM 1701 Views
You expect me to search every post you've made on this forum, ever? - 29/01/2010 06:50:49 PM 1258 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... - 27/01/2010 01:00:42 AM 1281 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... - 27/01/2010 03:26:56 AM 1326 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... - 27/01/2010 05:35:39 AM 1273 Views
I don't see a flaw - 27/01/2010 06:24:44 AM 1364 Views
Re: I don't see a flaw - 27/01/2010 04:18:27 PM 1337 Views
Let's give you one logic path for Millisair being poisoned. - 27/01/2010 05:47:04 PM 1328 Views
Spot on. *NM* - 28/01/2010 04:09:26 AM 812 Views
I don't think there's a flaw, I think you misinterpret Graendal's plans - 27/01/2010 06:57:44 PM 1307 Views
Good point on Ituralde - he may still be Compulsed in ways we're yet to discover. *NM* - 28/01/2010 04:11:15 AM 784 Views
Compulsion is limited - 28/01/2010 04:30:24 PM 1261 Views
Re: Compulsion is limited - 28/01/2010 06:35:05 PM 1413 Views
Re: Compulsion is limited - 28/01/2010 08:26:37 PM 1204 Views
Re: Graendal's death would imply a major logical flaw in the story. - 27/01/2010 09:11:32 PM 1295 Views
There's really no further purpose for her character. - 09/02/2010 10:52:58 PM 1364 Views

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