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Seriously? Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 27/01/2010 03:55:57 AM
... stop saying that everything makes sense.


That is absurd. I don't need to know why she was being executed. You're the one stating it doesn't make sense, you're the one who should explain why - as I have pointed out, there are a number of reasons why she could have been poisoned, and not knowing which one does not invalidate the fact that as long as at least one of them is sensible, the poisoning of Milisair is not a logical flaw. Trying to find a specific one would be mostly guesswork, obviously I won't do that.

What you have here is quite puzzling. You could be trying to find an answer to why Milisair was poisoned, which you find to be without one, and instead imagine far-fetched and nonsensical schemes as well as imagined loppholes in the balefire-Compulsion in order to answer why Graendal appears dead. You could answer the first question - about Milisair's death - with a tenth of the effort and imagination required to make Graendal live once more.

Kerb had no initiative. He was too heavily compelled, remember?


He had sufficient initiative to operate on a daily basis. He also had sufficient initiative to run after Nynaeve found out Milisair had been poisoned.

But let's assume you're right. Maybe Kerb poisoned the prisoner because his Compulsion was to poison the prisoner, and he didn't have the rational ability to realise that only meant the original messenger.


Uhhh? The woman was imprisoned and totally out of favor with Rand. Exactly how was she to help Rand bring order to Arad Doman? Using her Council vote? That seems little for Graendal to risk so much.


Councilors are in insufficient numbers as is, Rand even figures Graendal probably didn't leave enough alive to elect a King, so obviously it is worth such a minuscule risk to Graendal. The more reasonable argument is the opposite, actually. Since there are already insufficient people on the Council of Merchants, why bother killing one more?
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Graendal's death would imply a major logical flaw in the story. - 25/01/2010 05:18:23 PM 3112 Views
I think Graendal's death was a great scene - 25/01/2010 05:26:51 PM 1843 Views
The scene itself was great. The rest is crap. - 25/01/2010 05:37:44 PM 1658 Views
After reading 12 WoT books... - 25/01/2010 05:46:31 PM 1759 Views
You also ignored... - 25/01/2010 08:15:34 PM 1714 Views
and of course, the obvious theme - 25/01/2010 09:02:56 PM 1559 Views
Bah! - 25/01/2010 11:49:33 PM 1716 Views
It's possible that this was mainly written by BS - 26/01/2010 12:03:03 PM 1639 Views
I agree that the set up for her death was rather lame - 25/01/2010 06:14:07 PM 1864 Views
I agree and have my own additional notes as to why I don't think she is dead. - 25/01/2010 06:18:30 PM 1696 Views
Re: I agree and have my own additional notes as to why I don't think she is dead. - 25/01/2010 06:44:34 PM 1639 Views
well one of her major character parallels is Josef Mengel - 25/01/2010 06:54:43 PM 1413 Views
Can you think of any way that would explain the Compulsion vanishing? - 25/01/2010 07:52:40 PM 1467 Views
that's kind of my whole point - 25/01/2010 08:43:19 PM 1371 Views
Uh, not actually at all really - 25/01/2010 09:07:52 PM 1712 Views
*shudders* - 26/01/2010 02:27:35 AM 1541 Views
*shrugs* - 26/01/2010 08:47:21 AM 1583 Views
None of those "easy explanations" could work - 26/01/2010 07:14:16 AM 1492 Views
my entire problem with the scene is that it just felt too open ended - 26/01/2010 08:58:37 AM 1541 Views
Can't she knot it to disapate after being examined once? - 26/01/2010 03:43:55 AM 1447 Views
Do we have evidence that this is possible? - 26/01/2010 03:44:48 AM 1567 Views
why would Graendal do that anyway? - 26/01/2010 04:26:38 AM 1596 Views
Re: why would Graendal do that anyway? - 03/02/2010 02:52:32 AM 1477 Views
Re: I agree and have my own additional notes as to why I don't think she is dead. - 26/01/2010 02:03:51 AM 1600 Views
I'm glad you think Be'lal is alive. - 26/01/2010 07:38:40 AM 1357 Views
Re: I'm glad you think Be'lal is alive. - 26/01/2010 08:49:00 AM 1553 Views
Re: I'm glad you think Be'lal is alive. - 26/01/2010 09:19:35 AM 1381 Views
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Didn't Balthamel and Aginor leave corpses? - 26/01/2010 04:35:19 PM 1573 Views
Re: Didn't Balthamel and Aginor leave corpses? - 26/01/2010 07:06:01 PM 1436 Views
Re: - 26/01/2010 04:44:06 PM 1553 Views
He was balefired by a direct stream in front of at least two credible witnesses. - 26/01/2010 04:10:13 PM 1576 Views
Me, Too. - 28/01/2010 08:00:09 PM 1541 Views
Re: I agree and have my own additional notes as to why I don't think she is dead. - 25/01/2010 08:56:16 PM 1644 Views
I believe she's dead - 25/01/2010 09:06:37 PM 1474 Views
Re: I believe she's dead - 25/01/2010 09:09:58 PM 1529 Views
I don't think she would have taught anyone - 25/01/2010 09:18:03 PM 1389 Views
The compulsion did not disappear immediately. Read the damned scene! - 25/01/2010 11:54:02 PM 1639 Views
Re: The compulsion did not disappear immediately. Read the damned scene! - 26/01/2010 01:22:57 AM 1407 Views
Stop passing judgments... - 26/01/2010 02:05:21 AM 1585 Views
But your theories are becoming increasingly farfetched - 26/01/2010 04:21:21 AM 1467 Views
I repeat that I find her "death" monumental... - 26/01/2010 07:16:13 PM 1450 Views
Re: I repeat that I find her "death" monumental... - 26/01/2010 07:23:29 PM 1486 Views
Dude, then you derailed the thread... - 26/01/2010 07:31:55 PM 1367 Views
Not really - 26/01/2010 07:35:06 PM 1498 Views
Re: Not really - 26/01/2010 07:45:20 PM 1561 Views
Re: Not really - 28/01/2010 04:27:17 PM 1464 Views
Re: Stop passing judgments... - 26/01/2010 04:40:37 PM 1440 Views
*NM* - 26/01/2010 05:00:10 PM 765 Views
Everyone can see residues- only a select few can "read" them - 26/01/2010 07:42:19 AM 1516 Views
no she said she wouldn't risk strength and skill in the same place - 26/01/2010 08:51:31 AM 1410 Views
Re: no she said she wouldn't risk strength and skill in the same place - 26/01/2010 11:37:26 AM 1574 Views
read the whole quote - 26/01/2010 04:35:17 PM 1199 Views
LOL! You read the whole quote - 26/01/2010 07:00:41 PM 1349 Views
the risk she won't take is strength and skill residing together. - 27/01/2010 12:40:09 AM 1386 Views
Re: the risk she won't take is strength and skill residing together. - 28/01/2010 04:28:21 PM 1530 Views
I don't see any flaws. - 25/01/2010 09:14:44 PM 1616 Views
But... - 25/01/2010 11:44:49 PM 1339 Views
Re: But... - 26/01/2010 01:14:51 AM 1518 Views
That is what I thought ... - 26/01/2010 01:24:18 AM 1414 Views
That still doesn't make sense. - 26/01/2010 02:23:12 AM 1609 Views
But, having a clean up guy does make sense. - 26/01/2010 03:02:13 AM 1624 Views
But the clean up guy would require another clean up guy! - 26/01/2010 03:35:44 AM 1461 Views
Re: But the clean up guy would require another clean up guy! - 26/01/2010 04:12:41 AM 1421 Views
Nonsense. - 26/01/2010 07:50:04 AM 1320 Views
Dude, read what I said please... - 26/01/2010 07:21:52 PM 1522 Views
Re: Dude, read what I said please... - 26/01/2010 09:28:25 PM 1506 Views
Kerb had no initiative... he was under too heavy a Compulsion to think for himself - 27/01/2010 12:45:47 AM 1350 Views
I think he had some, albeit probably not a whole lot - 27/01/2010 01:03:44 AM 1435 Views
Nynaeve and Elayne were under a weaker compulsion... - 27/01/2010 03:10:52 AM 1275 Views
We don't know that, exactly - 27/01/2010 03:50:44 AM 1341 Views
If you cannot provide an answer... - 27/01/2010 03:10:40 AM 1417 Views
Seriously? - 27/01/2010 03:55:57 AM 1460 Views
Maybe... - 27/01/2010 11:08:10 AM 1379 Views
Messenger was running around being obvious. Noone would suspect Kerb though. Case Closed. *NM* - 26/01/2010 11:08:16 AM 917 Views
Thank the creator you're not in the police then. *NM* - 26/01/2010 07:22:29 PM 880 Views
Ok, in more detail: - 26/01/2010 08:16:30 PM 1516 Views
I'm tired of making this point... - 26/01/2010 08:39:22 PM 1288 Views
Re: I'm tired of making this point... - 26/01/2010 08:44:51 PM 1455 Views
Thoughts - 26/01/2010 01:05:45 AM 1347 Views
But that means she's dead - 26/01/2010 01:20:19 AM 1443 Views
Re: But that means she's dead - 26/01/2010 05:31:25 AM 1533 Views
Nope. Ramshalan was just "collecting taxes" or something. - 26/01/2010 11:10:25 AM 1314 Views
Re: Nope. Ramshalan was NOT just "collecting taxes" or something. - 26/01/2010 05:41:17 PM 1383 Views
By, the way, if I understand this correctly... - 26/01/2010 04:49:45 PM 1625 Views
Indeed... - 26/01/2010 05:13:53 PM 1619 Views
Re: Indeed... - 26/01/2010 07:04:40 PM 1440 Views
I'm not arguing she's alive, but... - 26/01/2010 07:29:42 PM 1424 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... - 26/01/2010 07:58:41 PM 1396 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... - 26/01/2010 09:42:52 PM 1183 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... - 27/01/2010 03:26:46 AM 1485 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... - 27/01/2010 04:05:23 AM 1558 Views
That's not fair - 27/01/2010 04:09:38 AM 1398 Views
I agree about the 'awesome' part . - 27/01/2010 05:41:00 AM 1350 Views
I just think it's funny that what you call omniscience has been done by the Forsaken before. - 27/01/2010 02:02:44 PM 1357 Views
But Graendal was the victim of a greater plot. - 27/01/2010 05:30:28 PM 1472 Views
So your response is that Ishamael/Moridin is omniscient, not Graendal. - 27/01/2010 05:57:20 PM 1564 Views
Give me one example. Just one. *NM* - 27/01/2010 06:52:44 PM 883 Views
Ishamael plans millennia ahead by sowing the seeds for the Black Ajah, the Seanchan and the current - 28/01/2010 01:57:39 PM 1510 Views
Not even comparable. - 28/01/2010 06:31:06 PM 1274 Views
Re: Not even comparable. - 28/01/2010 07:50:38 PM 1400 Views
Could you please take the effort to read my posts? - 28/01/2010 10:45:01 PM 1366 Views
Re: Could you please take the effort to read my posts? - 29/01/2010 03:49:43 PM 1423 Views
Re: Could you please take the effort to read my posts? - 29/01/2010 06:40:43 PM 1396 Views
And, just to double post: - 27/01/2010 07:12:17 PM 1172 Views
Re: And, just to double post: - 27/01/2010 08:25:45 PM 1481 Views
Nice answer. - 28/01/2010 12:10:27 AM 1455 Views
Re: Nice answer. - 28/01/2010 01:55:16 PM 1416 Views
Hilarious. - 28/01/2010 06:36:22 PM 1546 Views
Re: Hilarious. - 28/01/2010 07:15:20 PM 1406 Views
Re: Hilarious. - 28/01/2010 07:41:29 PM 1450 Views
Re: Hilarious. - 28/01/2010 07:53:34 PM 1306 Views
Re: Hilarious. - 28/01/2010 10:55:57 PM 1459 Views
That's because you didn't look at other posts. - 29/01/2010 03:37:08 PM 1435 Views
Moridin's main directive was.. - 29/01/2010 03:57:41 PM 1463 Views
Re: Moridin's main directive was.. - 29/01/2010 04:50:16 PM 1531 Views
Preventing order wasn't accomplished... - 29/01/2010 05:12:22 PM 1493 Views
I disagree. - 29/01/2010 05:28:59 PM 1823 Views
You expect me to search every post you've made on this forum, ever? - 29/01/2010 06:50:49 PM 1399 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... - 27/01/2010 01:00:42 AM 1419 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... - 27/01/2010 03:26:56 AM 1466 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... - 27/01/2010 05:35:39 AM 1426 Views
I don't see a flaw - 27/01/2010 06:24:44 AM 1512 Views
Re: I don't see a flaw - 27/01/2010 04:18:27 PM 1464 Views
Let's give you one logic path for Millisair being poisoned. - 27/01/2010 05:47:04 PM 1456 Views
Spot on. *NM* - 28/01/2010 04:09:26 AM 878 Views
I don't think there's a flaw, I think you misinterpret Graendal's plans - 27/01/2010 06:57:44 PM 1435 Views
Good point on Ituralde - he may still be Compulsed in ways we're yet to discover. *NM* - 28/01/2010 04:11:15 AM 849 Views
Compulsion is limited - 28/01/2010 04:30:24 PM 1410 Views
Re: Compulsion is limited - 28/01/2010 06:35:05 PM 1563 Views
Re: Compulsion is limited - 28/01/2010 08:26:37 PM 1325 Views
Re: Graendal's death would imply a major logical flaw in the story. - 27/01/2010 09:11:32 PM 1454 Views
There's really no further purpose for her character. - 09/02/2010 10:52:58 PM 1513 Views

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