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By, the way, if I understand this correctly... Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 26/01/2010 04:49:45 PM
... you are claiming that Graendal left Kerb behind only to lure Rand to Natrin's Barrow, which requires of course that Graendal knew enough about Rand and his entourage to know that he would have a conversation with someone knowledgeable in herblore that would drive that person to find a clue to Graendal's whereabouts to prove her self worth, within the approximately one week timeframe between which the poisoning had begun and could be noticed by a sufficiently astute Wisdom but before she died, wiping out all traces of the incident. It also requires that she would then know that Rand would wipe out her entire palace from a distance rather than attempt to face her directly, so she could escape.

And all this for what, exactly? So that Rand would think she's dead? What does that bring her, exactly? Your convoluted plan assumes that the only reason Rand found Graendal in the first place was because Graendal planted a lead, so if she didn't want to risk Rand coming after her, she should simply not have planted that lead at all! And if she's still scared, then she could simply Travel, anywhere in the world, and Rand would never be able to find her.

So we have this huge, ridiculously convoluted plan which requires months of forethought and quasi omniscience in order to achieve essentially nothing.

This doesn't make Graendal look brilliant. It makes her look like Wile E. Coyote. If he can order rockets to go after the Road Runner, why doesn't he just order some chicken?
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Graendal's death would imply a major logical flaw in the story. - 25/01/2010 05:18:23 PM 2960 Views
I think Graendal's death was a great scene - 25/01/2010 05:26:51 PM 1718 Views
The scene itself was great. The rest is crap. - 25/01/2010 05:37:44 PM 1538 Views
After reading 12 WoT books... - 25/01/2010 05:46:31 PM 1593 Views
You also ignored... - 25/01/2010 08:15:34 PM 1584 Views
and of course, the obvious theme - 25/01/2010 09:02:56 PM 1443 Views
Bah! - 25/01/2010 11:49:33 PM 1577 Views
It's possible that this was mainly written by BS - 26/01/2010 12:03:03 PM 1513 Views
I agree that the set up for her death was rather lame - 25/01/2010 06:14:07 PM 1740 Views
I agree and have my own additional notes as to why I don't think she is dead. - 25/01/2010 06:18:30 PM 1548 Views
Re: I agree and have my own additional notes as to why I don't think she is dead. - 25/01/2010 06:44:34 PM 1485 Views
well one of her major character parallels is Josef Mengel - 25/01/2010 06:54:43 PM 1286 Views
Can you think of any way that would explain the Compulsion vanishing? - 25/01/2010 07:52:40 PM 1320 Views
that's kind of my whole point - 25/01/2010 08:43:19 PM 1258 Views
Uh, not actually at all really - 25/01/2010 09:07:52 PM 1564 Views
*shudders* - 26/01/2010 02:27:35 AM 1420 Views
*shrugs* - 26/01/2010 08:47:21 AM 1467 Views
None of those "easy explanations" could work - 26/01/2010 07:14:16 AM 1374 Views
my entire problem with the scene is that it just felt too open ended - 26/01/2010 08:58:37 AM 1425 Views
Can't she knot it to disapate after being examined once? - 26/01/2010 03:43:55 AM 1316 Views
Do we have evidence that this is possible? - 26/01/2010 03:44:48 AM 1455 Views
why would Graendal do that anyway? - 26/01/2010 04:26:38 AM 1454 Views
Re: why would Graendal do that anyway? - 03/02/2010 02:52:32 AM 1374 Views
Re: I agree and have my own additional notes as to why I don't think she is dead. - 26/01/2010 02:03:51 AM 1471 Views
I'm glad you think Be'lal is alive. - 26/01/2010 07:38:40 AM 1245 Views
Re: I'm glad you think Be'lal is alive. - 26/01/2010 08:49:00 AM 1433 Views
Re: I'm glad you think Be'lal is alive. - 26/01/2010 09:19:35 AM 1254 Views
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Didn't Balthamel and Aginor leave corpses? - 26/01/2010 04:35:19 PM 1449 Views
Re: Didn't Balthamel and Aginor leave corpses? - 26/01/2010 07:06:01 PM 1316 Views
Re: - 26/01/2010 04:44:06 PM 1426 Views
He was balefired by a direct stream in front of at least two credible witnesses. - 26/01/2010 04:10:13 PM 1447 Views
Me, Too. - 28/01/2010 08:00:09 PM 1416 Views
Re: I agree and have my own additional notes as to why I don't think she is dead. - 25/01/2010 08:56:16 PM 1508 Views
I believe she's dead - 25/01/2010 09:06:37 PM 1360 Views
Re: I believe she's dead - 25/01/2010 09:09:58 PM 1401 Views
I don't think she would have taught anyone - 25/01/2010 09:18:03 PM 1269 Views
The compulsion did not disappear immediately. Read the damned scene! - 25/01/2010 11:54:02 PM 1517 Views
Re: The compulsion did not disappear immediately. Read the damned scene! - 26/01/2010 01:22:57 AM 1272 Views
Stop passing judgments... - 26/01/2010 02:05:21 AM 1469 Views
But your theories are becoming increasingly farfetched - 26/01/2010 04:21:21 AM 1354 Views
I repeat that I find her "death" monumental... - 26/01/2010 07:16:13 PM 1335 Views
Re: I repeat that I find her "death" monumental... - 26/01/2010 07:23:29 PM 1364 Views
Dude, then you derailed the thread... - 26/01/2010 07:31:55 PM 1237 Views
Not really - 26/01/2010 07:35:06 PM 1350 Views
Re: Not really - 26/01/2010 07:45:20 PM 1440 Views
Re: Not really - 28/01/2010 04:27:17 PM 1341 Views
Re: Stop passing judgments... - 26/01/2010 04:40:37 PM 1327 Views
*NM* - 26/01/2010 05:00:10 PM 706 Views
Everyone can see residues- only a select few can "read" them - 26/01/2010 07:42:19 AM 1401 Views
no she said she wouldn't risk strength and skill in the same place - 26/01/2010 08:51:31 AM 1293 Views
Re: no she said she wouldn't risk strength and skill in the same place - 26/01/2010 11:37:26 AM 1447 Views
read the whole quote - 26/01/2010 04:35:17 PM 1077 Views
LOL! You read the whole quote - 26/01/2010 07:00:41 PM 1224 Views
the risk she won't take is strength and skill residing together. - 27/01/2010 12:40:09 AM 1286 Views
Re: the risk she won't take is strength and skill residing together. - 28/01/2010 04:28:21 PM 1400 Views
I don't see any flaws. - 25/01/2010 09:14:44 PM 1499 Views
But... - 25/01/2010 11:44:49 PM 1238 Views
Re: But... - 26/01/2010 01:14:51 AM 1393 Views
That is what I thought ... - 26/01/2010 01:24:18 AM 1275 Views
That still doesn't make sense. - 26/01/2010 02:23:12 AM 1483 Views
But, having a clean up guy does make sense. - 26/01/2010 03:02:13 AM 1484 Views
But the clean up guy would require another clean up guy! - 26/01/2010 03:35:44 AM 1314 Views
Re: But the clean up guy would require another clean up guy! - 26/01/2010 04:12:41 AM 1286 Views
Nonsense. - 26/01/2010 07:50:04 AM 1196 Views
Dude, read what I said please... - 26/01/2010 07:21:52 PM 1407 Views
Re: Dude, read what I said please... - 26/01/2010 09:28:25 PM 1369 Views
Kerb had no initiative... he was under too heavy a Compulsion to think for himself - 27/01/2010 12:45:47 AM 1243 Views
I think he had some, albeit probably not a whole lot - 27/01/2010 01:03:44 AM 1298 Views
Nynaeve and Elayne were under a weaker compulsion... - 27/01/2010 03:10:52 AM 1147 Views
We don't know that, exactly - 27/01/2010 03:50:44 AM 1186 Views
If you cannot provide an answer... - 27/01/2010 03:10:40 AM 1280 Views
Seriously? - 27/01/2010 03:55:57 AM 1323 Views
Maybe... - 27/01/2010 11:08:10 AM 1250 Views
Messenger was running around being obvious. Noone would suspect Kerb though. Case Closed. *NM* - 26/01/2010 11:08:16 AM 852 Views
Thank the creator you're not in the police then. *NM* - 26/01/2010 07:22:29 PM 812 Views
Ok, in more detail: - 26/01/2010 08:16:30 PM 1408 Views
I'm tired of making this point... - 26/01/2010 08:39:22 PM 1151 Views
Re: I'm tired of making this point... - 26/01/2010 08:44:51 PM 1314 Views
Thoughts - 26/01/2010 01:05:45 AM 1230 Views
But that means she's dead - 26/01/2010 01:20:19 AM 1306 Views
Re: But that means she's dead - 26/01/2010 05:31:25 AM 1396 Views
Nope. Ramshalan was just "collecting taxes" or something. - 26/01/2010 11:10:25 AM 1192 Views
Re: Nope. Ramshalan was NOT just "collecting taxes" or something. - 26/01/2010 05:41:17 PM 1265 Views
By, the way, if I understand this correctly... - 26/01/2010 04:49:45 PM 1499 Views
Indeed... - 26/01/2010 05:13:53 PM 1462 Views
Re: Indeed... - 26/01/2010 07:04:40 PM 1312 Views
I'm not arguing she's alive, but... - 26/01/2010 07:29:42 PM 1306 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... - 26/01/2010 07:58:41 PM 1268 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... - 26/01/2010 09:42:52 PM 1071 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... - 27/01/2010 03:26:46 AM 1340 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... - 27/01/2010 04:05:23 AM 1419 Views
That's not fair - 27/01/2010 04:09:38 AM 1266 Views
I agree about the 'awesome' part . - 27/01/2010 05:41:00 AM 1218 Views
I just think it's funny that what you call omniscience has been done by the Forsaken before. - 27/01/2010 02:02:44 PM 1225 Views
But Graendal was the victim of a greater plot. - 27/01/2010 05:30:28 PM 1346 Views
So your response is that Ishamael/Moridin is omniscient, not Graendal. - 27/01/2010 05:57:20 PM 1448 Views
Give me one example. Just one. *NM* - 27/01/2010 06:52:44 PM 825 Views
Ishamael plans millennia ahead by sowing the seeds for the Black Ajah, the Seanchan and the current - 28/01/2010 01:57:39 PM 1384 Views
Not even comparable. - 28/01/2010 06:31:06 PM 1146 Views
Re: Not even comparable. - 28/01/2010 07:50:38 PM 1285 Views
Could you please take the effort to read my posts? - 28/01/2010 10:45:01 PM 1239 Views
Re: Could you please take the effort to read my posts? - 29/01/2010 03:49:43 PM 1291 Views
Re: Could you please take the effort to read my posts? - 29/01/2010 06:40:43 PM 1294 Views
And, just to double post: - 27/01/2010 07:12:17 PM 1038 Views
Re: And, just to double post: - 27/01/2010 08:25:45 PM 1368 Views
Nice answer. - 28/01/2010 12:10:27 AM 1345 Views
Re: Nice answer. - 28/01/2010 01:55:16 PM 1287 Views
Hilarious. - 28/01/2010 06:36:22 PM 1419 Views
Re: Hilarious. - 28/01/2010 07:15:20 PM 1291 Views
Re: Hilarious. - 28/01/2010 07:41:29 PM 1316 Views
Re: Hilarious. - 28/01/2010 07:53:34 PM 1173 Views
Re: Hilarious. - 28/01/2010 10:55:57 PM 1347 Views
That's because you didn't look at other posts. - 29/01/2010 03:37:08 PM 1288 Views
Moridin's main directive was.. - 29/01/2010 03:57:41 PM 1330 Views
Re: Moridin's main directive was.. - 29/01/2010 04:50:16 PM 1407 Views
Preventing order wasn't accomplished... - 29/01/2010 05:12:22 PM 1341 Views
I disagree. - 29/01/2010 05:28:59 PM 1707 Views
You expect me to search every post you've made on this forum, ever? - 29/01/2010 06:50:49 PM 1268 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... - 27/01/2010 01:00:42 AM 1291 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... - 27/01/2010 03:26:56 AM 1335 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... - 27/01/2010 05:35:39 AM 1285 Views
I don't see a flaw - 27/01/2010 06:24:44 AM 1366 Views
Re: I don't see a flaw - 27/01/2010 04:18:27 PM 1348 Views
Let's give you one logic path for Millisair being poisoned. - 27/01/2010 05:47:04 PM 1334 Views
Spot on. *NM* - 28/01/2010 04:09:26 AM 816 Views
I don't think there's a flaw, I think you misinterpret Graendal's plans - 27/01/2010 06:57:44 PM 1316 Views
Good point on Ituralde - he may still be Compulsed in ways we're yet to discover. *NM* - 28/01/2010 04:11:15 AM 788 Views
Compulsion is limited - 28/01/2010 04:30:24 PM 1270 Views
Re: Compulsion is limited - 28/01/2010 06:35:05 PM 1423 Views
Re: Compulsion is limited - 28/01/2010 08:26:37 PM 1207 Views
Re: Graendal's death would imply a major logical flaw in the story. - 27/01/2010 09:11:32 PM 1303 Views
There's really no further purpose for her character. - 09/02/2010 10:52:58 PM 1374 Views

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