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By, the way, if I understand this correctly... Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 26/01/2010 04:49:45 PM
... you are claiming that Graendal left Kerb behind only to lure Rand to Natrin's Barrow, which requires of course that Graendal knew enough about Rand and his entourage to know that he would have a conversation with someone knowledgeable in herblore that would drive that person to find a clue to Graendal's whereabouts to prove her self worth, within the approximately one week timeframe between which the poisoning had begun and could be noticed by a sufficiently astute Wisdom but before she died, wiping out all traces of the incident. It also requires that she would then know that Rand would wipe out her entire palace from a distance rather than attempt to face her directly, so she could escape.

And all this for what, exactly? So that Rand would think she's dead? What does that bring her, exactly? Your convoluted plan assumes that the only reason Rand found Graendal in the first place was because Graendal planted a lead, so if she didn't want to risk Rand coming after her, she should simply not have planted that lead at all! And if she's still scared, then she could simply Travel, anywhere in the world, and Rand would never be able to find her.

So we have this huge, ridiculously convoluted plan which requires months of forethought and quasi omniscience in order to achieve essentially nothing.

This doesn't make Graendal look brilliant. It makes her look like Wile E. Coyote. If he can order rockets to go after the Road Runner, why doesn't he just order some chicken?
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Graendal's death would imply a major logical flaw in the story. - 25/01/2010 05:18:23 PM 2703 Views
I think Graendal's death was a great scene - 25/01/2010 05:26:51 PM 1401 Views
The scene itself was great. The rest is crap. - 25/01/2010 05:37:44 PM 1202 Views
After reading 12 WoT books... - 25/01/2010 05:46:31 PM 1290 Views
You also ignored... - 25/01/2010 08:15:34 PM 1303 Views
and of course, the obvious theme - 25/01/2010 09:02:56 PM 1099 Views
Bah! - 25/01/2010 11:49:33 PM 1259 Views
It's possible that this was mainly written by BS - 26/01/2010 12:03:03 PM 1223 Views
I agree that the set up for her death was rather lame - 25/01/2010 06:14:07 PM 1462 Views
I agree and have my own additional notes as to why I don't think she is dead. - 25/01/2010 06:18:30 PM 1259 Views
Re: I agree and have my own additional notes as to why I don't think she is dead. - 25/01/2010 06:44:34 PM 1202 Views
well one of her major character parallels is Josef Mengel - 25/01/2010 06:54:43 PM 1003 Views
Can you think of any way that would explain the Compulsion vanishing? - 25/01/2010 07:52:40 PM 1009 Views
that's kind of my whole point - 25/01/2010 08:43:19 PM 949 Views
Uh, not actually at all really - 25/01/2010 09:07:52 PM 1247 Views
*shudders* - 26/01/2010 02:27:35 AM 1109 Views
*shrugs* - 26/01/2010 08:47:21 AM 1152 Views
None of those "easy explanations" could work - 26/01/2010 07:14:16 AM 1044 Views
my entire problem with the scene is that it just felt too open ended - 26/01/2010 08:58:37 AM 1148 Views
Can't she knot it to disapate after being examined once? - 26/01/2010 03:43:55 AM 977 Views
Do we have evidence that this is possible? - 26/01/2010 03:44:48 AM 1148 Views
why would Graendal do that anyway? - 26/01/2010 04:26:38 AM 1145 Views
Re: why would Graendal do that anyway? - 03/02/2010 02:52:32 AM 1086 Views
Re: I agree and have my own additional notes as to why I don't think she is dead. - 26/01/2010 02:03:51 AM 1188 Views
I'm glad you think Be'lal is alive. - 26/01/2010 07:38:40 AM 963 Views
Re: I'm glad you think Be'lal is alive. - 26/01/2010 08:49:00 AM 1149 Views
Re: I'm glad you think Be'lal is alive. - 26/01/2010 09:19:35 AM 939 Views
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Didn't Balthamel and Aginor leave corpses? - 26/01/2010 04:35:19 PM 1120 Views
Re: Didn't Balthamel and Aginor leave corpses? - 26/01/2010 07:06:01 PM 1011 Views
Re: - 26/01/2010 04:44:06 PM 1118 Views
He was balefired by a direct stream in front of at least two credible witnesses. - 26/01/2010 04:10:13 PM 1116 Views
Me, Too. - 28/01/2010 08:00:09 PM 1101 Views
Re: I agree and have my own additional notes as to why I don't think she is dead. - 25/01/2010 08:56:16 PM 1226 Views
I believe she's dead - 25/01/2010 09:06:37 PM 1070 Views
Re: I believe she's dead - 25/01/2010 09:09:58 PM 1105 Views
I don't think she would have taught anyone - 25/01/2010 09:18:03 PM 937 Views
The compulsion did not disappear immediately. Read the damned scene! - 25/01/2010 11:54:02 PM 1238 Views
Re: The compulsion did not disappear immediately. Read the damned scene! - 26/01/2010 01:22:57 AM 978 Views
Stop passing judgments... - 26/01/2010 02:05:21 AM 1179 Views
But your theories are becoming increasingly farfetched - 26/01/2010 04:21:21 AM 1072 Views
I repeat that I find her "death" monumental... - 26/01/2010 07:16:13 PM 1015 Views
Re: I repeat that I find her "death" monumental... - 26/01/2010 07:23:29 PM 1055 Views
Dude, then you derailed the thread... - 26/01/2010 07:31:55 PM 968 Views
Not really - 26/01/2010 07:35:06 PM 1079 Views
Re: Not really - 26/01/2010 07:45:20 PM 1114 Views
Re: Not really - 28/01/2010 04:27:17 PM 1053 Views
Re: Stop passing judgments... - 26/01/2010 04:40:37 PM 1050 Views
*NM* - 26/01/2010 05:00:10 PM 575 Views
Everyone can see residues- only a select few can "read" them - 26/01/2010 07:42:19 AM 1084 Views
no she said she wouldn't risk strength and skill in the same place - 26/01/2010 08:51:31 AM 969 Views
Re: no she said she wouldn't risk strength and skill in the same place - 26/01/2010 11:37:26 AM 1109 Views
read the whole quote - 26/01/2010 04:35:17 PM 821 Views
LOL! You read the whole quote - 26/01/2010 07:00:41 PM 944 Views
the risk she won't take is strength and skill residing together. - 27/01/2010 12:40:09 AM 1005 Views
Re: the risk she won't take is strength and skill residing together. - 28/01/2010 04:28:21 PM 1172 Views
I don't see any flaws. - 25/01/2010 09:14:44 PM 1192 Views
But... - 25/01/2010 11:44:49 PM 940 Views
Re: But... - 26/01/2010 01:14:51 AM 1075 Views
That is what I thought ... - 26/01/2010 01:24:18 AM 986 Views
That still doesn't make sense. - 26/01/2010 02:23:12 AM 1163 Views
But, having a clean up guy does make sense. - 26/01/2010 03:02:13 AM 1195 Views
But the clean up guy would require another clean up guy! - 26/01/2010 03:35:44 AM 1056 Views
Re: But the clean up guy would require another clean up guy! - 26/01/2010 04:12:41 AM 982 Views
Nonsense. - 26/01/2010 07:50:04 AM 917 Views
Dude, read what I said please... - 26/01/2010 07:21:52 PM 1096 Views
Re: Dude, read what I said please... - 26/01/2010 09:28:25 PM 1084 Views
Kerb had no initiative... he was under too heavy a Compulsion to think for himself - 27/01/2010 12:45:47 AM 974 Views
I think he had some, albeit probably not a whole lot - 27/01/2010 01:03:44 AM 1018 Views
Nynaeve and Elayne were under a weaker compulsion... - 27/01/2010 03:10:52 AM 841 Views
We don't know that, exactly - 27/01/2010 03:50:44 AM 918 Views
If you cannot provide an answer... - 27/01/2010 03:10:40 AM 991 Views
Seriously? - 27/01/2010 03:55:57 AM 1021 Views
Maybe... - 27/01/2010 11:08:10 AM 973 Views
Messenger was running around being obvious. Noone would suspect Kerb though. Case Closed. *NM* - 26/01/2010 11:08:16 AM 718 Views
Thank the creator you're not in the police then. *NM* - 26/01/2010 07:22:29 PM 652 Views
Ok, in more detail: - 26/01/2010 08:16:30 PM 1101 Views
I'm tired of making this point... - 26/01/2010 08:39:22 PM 839 Views
Re: I'm tired of making this point... - 26/01/2010 08:44:51 PM 1018 Views
Thoughts - 26/01/2010 01:05:45 AM 933 Views
But that means she's dead - 26/01/2010 01:20:19 AM 1002 Views
Re: But that means she's dead - 26/01/2010 05:31:25 AM 1080 Views
Nope. Ramshalan was just "collecting taxes" or something. - 26/01/2010 11:10:25 AM 917 Views
Re: Nope. Ramshalan was NOT just "collecting taxes" or something. - 26/01/2010 05:41:17 PM 1019 Views
By, the way, if I understand this correctly... - 26/01/2010 04:49:45 PM 1142 Views
Indeed... - 26/01/2010 05:13:53 PM 1164 Views
Re: Indeed... - 26/01/2010 07:04:40 PM 983 Views
I'm not arguing she's alive, but... - 26/01/2010 07:29:42 PM 1011 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... - 26/01/2010 07:58:41 PM 989 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... - 26/01/2010 09:42:52 PM 805 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... - 27/01/2010 03:26:46 AM 1019 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... - 27/01/2010 04:05:23 AM 1114 Views
That's not fair - 27/01/2010 04:09:38 AM 969 Views
I agree about the 'awesome' part . - 27/01/2010 05:41:00 AM 947 Views
I just think it's funny that what you call omniscience has been done by the Forsaken before. - 27/01/2010 02:02:44 PM 926 Views
But Graendal was the victim of a greater plot. - 27/01/2010 05:30:28 PM 1037 Views
So your response is that Ishamael/Moridin is omniscient, not Graendal. - 27/01/2010 05:57:20 PM 1079 Views
Give me one example. Just one. *NM* - 27/01/2010 06:52:44 PM 689 Views
Ishamael plans millennia ahead by sowing the seeds for the Black Ajah, the Seanchan and the current - 28/01/2010 01:57:39 PM 1096 Views
Not even comparable. - 28/01/2010 06:31:06 PM 873 Views
Re: Not even comparable. - 28/01/2010 07:50:38 PM 995 Views
Could you please take the effort to read my posts? - 28/01/2010 10:45:01 PM 939 Views
Re: Could you please take the effort to read my posts? - 29/01/2010 03:49:43 PM 980 Views
Re: Could you please take the effort to read my posts? - 29/01/2010 06:40:43 PM 970 Views
And, just to double post: - 27/01/2010 07:12:17 PM 749 Views
Re: And, just to double post: - 27/01/2010 08:25:45 PM 1018 Views
Nice answer. - 28/01/2010 12:10:27 AM 1078 Views
Re: Nice answer. - 28/01/2010 01:55:16 PM 1010 Views
Hilarious. - 28/01/2010 06:36:22 PM 1102 Views
Re: Hilarious. - 28/01/2010 07:15:20 PM 1026 Views
Re: Hilarious. - 28/01/2010 07:41:29 PM 1014 Views
Re: Hilarious. - 28/01/2010 07:53:34 PM 864 Views
Re: Hilarious. - 28/01/2010 10:55:57 PM 1055 Views
That's because you didn't look at other posts. - 29/01/2010 03:37:08 PM 1002 Views
Moridin's main directive was.. - 29/01/2010 03:57:41 PM 1029 Views
Re: Moridin's main directive was.. - 29/01/2010 04:50:16 PM 1084 Views
Preventing order wasn't accomplished... - 29/01/2010 05:12:22 PM 1047 Views
I disagree. - 29/01/2010 05:28:59 PM 1426 Views
You expect me to search every post you've made on this forum, ever? - 29/01/2010 06:50:49 PM 976 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... - 27/01/2010 01:00:42 AM 989 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... - 27/01/2010 03:26:56 AM 1040 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... - 27/01/2010 05:35:39 AM 1019 Views
I don't see a flaw - 27/01/2010 06:24:44 AM 1095 Views
Re: I don't see a flaw - 27/01/2010 04:18:27 PM 1016 Views
Let's give you one logic path for Millisair being poisoned. - 27/01/2010 05:47:04 PM 1025 Views
Spot on. *NM* - 28/01/2010 04:09:26 AM 679 Views
I don't think there's a flaw, I think you misinterpret Graendal's plans - 27/01/2010 06:57:44 PM 1023 Views
Good point on Ituralde - he may still be Compulsed in ways we're yet to discover. *NM* - 28/01/2010 04:11:15 AM 661 Views
Compulsion is limited - 28/01/2010 04:30:24 PM 996 Views
Re: Compulsion is limited - 28/01/2010 06:35:05 PM 1121 Views
Re: Compulsion is limited - 28/01/2010 08:26:37 PM 887 Views
Re: Graendal's death would imply a major logical flaw in the story. - 27/01/2010 09:11:32 PM 992 Views
There's really no further purpose for her character. - 09/02/2010 10:52:58 PM 1080 Views

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