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When I was reading this I was thinking of the paralells between the white tower and Tashmere Send a noteboard - 03/09/2009 02:47:33 AM
By which I mean, the White Tower. They seem largely either immature, self-absorbed, arrogant, or some mixture of the three. And yet... they don't really DO anything in the series.

Note that I'm not talking about the world in general- I'm talking about the space of time that takes place during the series. For the most part, any help that's come from Aes Sedai has almost been incidental, or from independently working sisters.

There's been a HUGE subplot, involving the split of the Tower, and for the most part it hasn't affected the world. No one really cares. Yes, the rival Aes Sedai factions care, and the areas where they gather gigantic armies care, but largely, the world remains unaffected.

Aes Sedai keep popping up, but the ones under the direction of the White Tower don't DO anything. It takes a Wondergirl, or a ta'veren, to get them to act.

Really, the only useful contribution the non-protagonist Aes Sedai have made is mediation, or being part of a link. They might know a lot of special weaves other channelers don't know, but they mostly can't hold a candle to the Forsaken (or even the Black Ajah, who know all of the special "Ajah Weaves". Some of them may be more powerful than many Wise Ones or Windfinders, but they still can't hold a candle to the protagonists, or many of the "wilders" they so disdain.

They mostly just get in everyone's way, unless a protagonist manages to tell them what to do (see: Moiraine after she swore her oath to Rand, Verin and Allana with Perrin, any of the AS who trail along after Elayne or Rand)



people in "ivory towers" (upper management) at the places we work. You described them so well...
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You know... it feels like the Aes Sedai are pretty superflouous - 02/09/2009 09:48:19 PM 1178 Views
Y'know, the paralells betwen the Aes Sedai in the White Tower... - 02/09/2009 10:46:29 PM 765 Views
Well said. Hadn't really thought of it that way before *NM* - 03/09/2009 12:01:30 AM 483 Views
When I was reading this I was thinking of the paralells between the white tower and - 03/09/2009 02:47:33 AM 914 Views
And yet the WT has been THE single greatest force for continuity and civilization. - 03/09/2009 03:37:14 AM 787 Views
Re: And yet the WT has been THE single greatest force for continuity and civilization. - 03/09/2009 05:46:13 AM 745 Views
Really? - 03/09/2009 05:52:38 AM 716 Views
Re: Really? - 03/09/2009 06:03:13 AM 681 Views
So lets add a few more - 03/09/2009 11:42:48 AM 684 Views
most of these are accounted for above - 03/09/2009 02:18:01 PM 756 Views
But who did the work? - 03/09/2009 05:37:00 PM 608 Views
While these are good, none of it is because of the White Tower - 03/09/2009 05:43:56 PM 632 Views
So if Elaida didn't order it, it doesn't count? - 03/09/2009 07:29:20 PM 618 Views
Actually I think that's his point - 04/09/2009 01:40:37 PM 701 Views
Spot-on - 04/09/2009 08:56:30 PM 529 Views
Re: Actually I think that's his point - 05/09/2009 03:17:25 AM 569 Views
Re: But who did the work? - 04/09/2009 01:32:19 PM 642 Views
Only one point because obviously your mind is made up. - 05/09/2009 06:13:23 AM 669 Views
well, yeah - 05/09/2009 02:33:51 PM 738 Views
In that case, Rand, Mat, Perrin... all of them are superfluous. - 05/09/2009 03:03:07 PM 610 Views
Re: In that case, Rand, Mat, Perrin... all of them are superfluous. - 05/09/2009 04:57:44 PM 605 Views
No, fionwe1987 is absolutely right! - 05/09/2009 05:13:39 PM 564 Views
I'm glad the real world disagrees with you - 05/09/2009 05:05:50 PM 608 Views
I'm not convinced that it does - 05/09/2009 05:44:10 PM 708 Views
I don't understand your point - 03/09/2009 04:25:22 PM 630 Views
Re: I don't understand your point - 03/09/2009 09:09:38 PM 679 Views
Re: I don't understand your point - 03/09/2009 09:23:53 PM 612 Views
Re: I don't understand your point - 05/09/2009 09:02:47 AM 811 Views
Re: I don't understand your point - 03/09/2009 09:49:58 PM 589 Views
I was talking about the WT specifically, and only during recent years. It's Gotta be the Shadow, - 03/09/2009 05:39:11 PM 608 Views
So what you are really saying is that if you ignore over 2/3rds of the AS the rest aren't doing much - 03/09/2009 06:07:23 PM 553 Views
I'm talking about the organization as a whole - 03/09/2009 10:07:37 PM 624 Views
No you are talking about Elaida - 03/09/2009 10:32:59 PM 546 Views
You just made our point... - 04/09/2009 12:49:44 AM 643 Views
Well, because most of her actions infringe on that "bubble" - 04/09/2009 09:00:52 PM 548 Views
Not at all... - 04/09/2009 09:23:09 PM 658 Views
To a certain extent - 03/09/2009 11:33:30 AM 792 Views
Definitely. And Egwene is in denial. - 03/09/2009 05:53:14 PM 634 Views
Some pretty big blanket statements - 03/09/2009 10:24:50 PM 748 Views
Without the Tower - 03/09/2009 02:05:09 PM 544 Views
Actually, I think Verin is a good metaphor here. - 03/09/2009 07:59:46 PM 589 Views
Agrees with Nossy - 03/09/2009 10:44:06 PM 885 Views
That's mostly what I was trying to say - 04/09/2009 09:03:52 PM 549 Views
Re: That's mostly what I was trying to say - 05/09/2009 03:33:46 AM 890 Views

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