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That is what I thought ... Yondaime Send a noteboard - 26/01/2010 01:24:18 AM
I thought that the mistake was made by the compulsion laden messenger himself - not by Graendal. I was under the impression that he was simply following a long-standing order to clean up loose ends. In addition, I also gathered that the compulsion guy didn't really know what he was doing, hence the slow-acting poison. He was just following orders with what he knew. I'm not sure if this is actually true - my memory of this passage is pretty blurry. I'll have to go back and re-read it to make sure my facts are straight ...

"Take the Gleeman!" Rand and Mat cried, throwing Thom to the Myrddraal. Then they ran away as fast as they could, and Thom's screams quickly faded into the distance along with any inconvenient feelings of guilt.
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Graendal's death would imply a major logical flaw in the story. - 25/01/2010 05:18:23 PM 2693 Views
I think Graendal's death was a great scene - 25/01/2010 05:26:51 PM 1389 Views
The scene itself was great. The rest is crap. - 25/01/2010 05:37:44 PM 1184 Views
After reading 12 WoT books... - 25/01/2010 05:46:31 PM 1277 Views
You also ignored... - 25/01/2010 08:15:34 PM 1283 Views
and of course, the obvious theme - 25/01/2010 09:02:56 PM 1085 Views
Bah! - 25/01/2010 11:49:33 PM 1245 Views
It's possible that this was mainly written by BS - 26/01/2010 12:03:03 PM 1209 Views
I agree that the set up for her death was rather lame - 25/01/2010 06:14:07 PM 1445 Views
I agree and have my own additional notes as to why I don't think she is dead. - 25/01/2010 06:18:30 PM 1241 Views
Re: I agree and have my own additional notes as to why I don't think she is dead. - 25/01/2010 06:44:34 PM 1188 Views
well one of her major character parallels is Josef Mengel - 25/01/2010 06:54:43 PM 987 Views
Can you think of any way that would explain the Compulsion vanishing? - 25/01/2010 07:52:40 PM 992 Views
that's kind of my whole point - 25/01/2010 08:43:19 PM 938 Views
Uh, not actually at all really - 25/01/2010 09:07:52 PM 1230 Views
*shudders* - 26/01/2010 02:27:35 AM 1093 Views
*shrugs* - 26/01/2010 08:47:21 AM 1138 Views
None of those "easy explanations" could work - 26/01/2010 07:14:16 AM 1035 Views
my entire problem with the scene is that it just felt too open ended - 26/01/2010 08:58:37 AM 1133 Views
Can't she knot it to disapate after being examined once? - 26/01/2010 03:43:55 AM 962 Views
Do we have evidence that this is possible? - 26/01/2010 03:44:48 AM 1138 Views
why would Graendal do that anyway? - 26/01/2010 04:26:38 AM 1134 Views
Re: why would Graendal do that anyway? - 03/02/2010 02:52:32 AM 1070 Views
Re: I agree and have my own additional notes as to why I don't think she is dead. - 26/01/2010 02:03:51 AM 1175 Views
I'm glad you think Be'lal is alive. - 26/01/2010 07:38:40 AM 953 Views
Re: I'm glad you think Be'lal is alive. - 26/01/2010 08:49:00 AM 1133 Views
Re: I'm glad you think Be'lal is alive. - 26/01/2010 09:19:35 AM 923 Views
- 26/01/2010 11:42:04 AM 1136 Views
Didn't Balthamel and Aginor leave corpses? - 26/01/2010 04:35:19 PM 1106 Views
Re: Didn't Balthamel and Aginor leave corpses? - 26/01/2010 07:06:01 PM 996 Views
Re: - 26/01/2010 04:44:06 PM 1105 Views
He was balefired by a direct stream in front of at least two credible witnesses. - 26/01/2010 04:10:13 PM 1102 Views
Me, Too. - 28/01/2010 08:00:09 PM 1081 Views
Re: I agree and have my own additional notes as to why I don't think she is dead. - 25/01/2010 08:56:16 PM 1211 Views
I believe she's dead - 25/01/2010 09:06:37 PM 1055 Views
Re: I believe she's dead - 25/01/2010 09:09:58 PM 1094 Views
I don't think she would have taught anyone - 25/01/2010 09:18:03 PM 918 Views
The compulsion did not disappear immediately. Read the damned scene! - 25/01/2010 11:54:02 PM 1224 Views
Re: The compulsion did not disappear immediately. Read the damned scene! - 26/01/2010 01:22:57 AM 957 Views
Stop passing judgments... - 26/01/2010 02:05:21 AM 1164 Views
But your theories are becoming increasingly farfetched - 26/01/2010 04:21:21 AM 1052 Views
I repeat that I find her "death" monumental... - 26/01/2010 07:16:13 PM 1003 Views
Re: I repeat that I find her "death" monumental... - 26/01/2010 07:23:29 PM 1046 Views
Dude, then you derailed the thread... - 26/01/2010 07:31:55 PM 955 Views
Not really - 26/01/2010 07:35:06 PM 1066 Views
Re: Not really - 26/01/2010 07:45:20 PM 1104 Views
Re: Not really - 28/01/2010 04:27:17 PM 1039 Views
Re: Stop passing judgments... - 26/01/2010 04:40:37 PM 1036 Views
*NM* - 26/01/2010 05:00:10 PM 566 Views
Everyone can see residues- only a select few can "read" them - 26/01/2010 07:42:19 AM 1069 Views
no she said she wouldn't risk strength and skill in the same place - 26/01/2010 08:51:31 AM 954 Views
Re: no she said she wouldn't risk strength and skill in the same place - 26/01/2010 11:37:26 AM 1088 Views
read the whole quote - 26/01/2010 04:35:17 PM 810 Views
LOL! You read the whole quote - 26/01/2010 07:00:41 PM 929 Views
the risk she won't take is strength and skill residing together. - 27/01/2010 12:40:09 AM 991 Views
Re: the risk she won't take is strength and skill residing together. - 28/01/2010 04:28:21 PM 1159 Views
I don't see any flaws. - 25/01/2010 09:14:44 PM 1175 Views
But... - 25/01/2010 11:44:49 PM 925 Views
Re: But... - 26/01/2010 01:14:51 AM 1059 Views
That is what I thought ... - 26/01/2010 01:24:18 AM 972 Views
That still doesn't make sense. - 26/01/2010 02:23:12 AM 1148 Views
But, having a clean up guy does make sense. - 26/01/2010 03:02:13 AM 1180 Views
But the clean up guy would require another clean up guy! - 26/01/2010 03:35:44 AM 1044 Views
Re: But the clean up guy would require another clean up guy! - 26/01/2010 04:12:41 AM 972 Views
Nonsense. - 26/01/2010 07:50:04 AM 901 Views
Dude, read what I said please... - 26/01/2010 07:21:52 PM 1074 Views
Re: Dude, read what I said please... - 26/01/2010 09:28:25 PM 1060 Views
Kerb had no initiative... he was under too heavy a Compulsion to think for himself - 27/01/2010 12:45:47 AM 963 Views
I think he had some, albeit probably not a whole lot - 27/01/2010 01:03:44 AM 1007 Views
Nynaeve and Elayne were under a weaker compulsion... - 27/01/2010 03:10:52 AM 831 Views
We don't know that, exactly - 27/01/2010 03:50:44 AM 896 Views
If you cannot provide an answer... - 27/01/2010 03:10:40 AM 976 Views
Seriously? - 27/01/2010 03:55:57 AM 1004 Views
Maybe... - 27/01/2010 11:08:10 AM 956 Views
Messenger was running around being obvious. Noone would suspect Kerb though. Case Closed. *NM* - 26/01/2010 11:08:16 AM 707 Views
Thank the creator you're not in the police then. *NM* - 26/01/2010 07:22:29 PM 642 Views
Ok, in more detail: - 26/01/2010 08:16:30 PM 1084 Views
I'm tired of making this point... - 26/01/2010 08:39:22 PM 825 Views
Re: I'm tired of making this point... - 26/01/2010 08:44:51 PM 1004 Views
Thoughts - 26/01/2010 01:05:45 AM 917 Views
But that means she's dead - 26/01/2010 01:20:19 AM 985 Views
Re: But that means she's dead - 26/01/2010 05:31:25 AM 1062 Views
Nope. Ramshalan was just "collecting taxes" or something. - 26/01/2010 11:10:25 AM 904 Views
Re: Nope. Ramshalan was NOT just "collecting taxes" or something. - 26/01/2010 05:41:17 PM 1001 Views
By, the way, if I understand this correctly... - 26/01/2010 04:49:45 PM 1131 Views
Indeed... - 26/01/2010 05:13:53 PM 1152 Views
Re: Indeed... - 26/01/2010 07:04:40 PM 969 Views
I'm not arguing she's alive, but... - 26/01/2010 07:29:42 PM 997 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... - 26/01/2010 07:58:41 PM 978 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... - 26/01/2010 09:42:52 PM 789 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... - 27/01/2010 03:26:46 AM 1005 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... - 27/01/2010 04:05:23 AM 1096 Views
That's not fair - 27/01/2010 04:09:38 AM 951 Views
I agree about the 'awesome' part . - 27/01/2010 05:41:00 AM 927 Views
I just think it's funny that what you call omniscience has been done by the Forsaken before. - 27/01/2010 02:02:44 PM 911 Views
But Graendal was the victim of a greater plot. - 27/01/2010 05:30:28 PM 1025 Views
So your response is that Ishamael/Moridin is omniscient, not Graendal. - 27/01/2010 05:57:20 PM 1057 Views
Give me one example. Just one. *NM* - 27/01/2010 06:52:44 PM 681 Views
Ishamael plans millennia ahead by sowing the seeds for the Black Ajah, the Seanchan and the current - 28/01/2010 01:57:39 PM 1078 Views
Not even comparable. - 28/01/2010 06:31:06 PM 860 Views
Re: Not even comparable. - 28/01/2010 07:50:38 PM 974 Views
Could you please take the effort to read my posts? - 28/01/2010 10:45:01 PM 924 Views
Re: Could you please take the effort to read my posts? - 29/01/2010 03:49:43 PM 971 Views
Re: Could you please take the effort to read my posts? - 29/01/2010 06:40:43 PM 954 Views
And, just to double post: - 27/01/2010 07:12:17 PM 740 Views
Re: And, just to double post: - 27/01/2010 08:25:45 PM 1005 Views
Nice answer. - 28/01/2010 12:10:27 AM 1058 Views
Re: Nice answer. - 28/01/2010 01:55:16 PM 991 Views
Hilarious. - 28/01/2010 06:36:22 PM 1091 Views
Re: Hilarious. - 28/01/2010 07:15:20 PM 1014 Views
Re: Hilarious. - 28/01/2010 07:41:29 PM 998 Views
Re: Hilarious. - 28/01/2010 07:53:34 PM 846 Views
Re: Hilarious. - 28/01/2010 10:55:57 PM 1041 Views
That's because you didn't look at other posts. - 29/01/2010 03:37:08 PM 986 Views
Moridin's main directive was.. - 29/01/2010 03:57:41 PM 1015 Views
Re: Moridin's main directive was.. - 29/01/2010 04:50:16 PM 1073 Views
Preventing order wasn't accomplished... - 29/01/2010 05:12:22 PM 1033 Views
I disagree. - 29/01/2010 05:28:59 PM 1411 Views
You expect me to search every post you've made on this forum, ever? - 29/01/2010 06:50:49 PM 961 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... - 27/01/2010 01:00:42 AM 973 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... - 27/01/2010 03:26:56 AM 1030 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... - 27/01/2010 05:35:39 AM 998 Views
I don't see a flaw - 27/01/2010 06:24:44 AM 1080 Views
Re: I don't see a flaw - 27/01/2010 04:18:27 PM 999 Views
Let's give you one logic path for Millisair being poisoned. - 27/01/2010 05:47:04 PM 1011 Views
Spot on. *NM* - 28/01/2010 04:09:26 AM 669 Views
I don't think there's a flaw, I think you misinterpret Graendal's plans - 27/01/2010 06:57:44 PM 1010 Views
Good point on Ituralde - he may still be Compulsed in ways we're yet to discover. *NM* - 28/01/2010 04:11:15 AM 651 Views
Compulsion is limited - 28/01/2010 04:30:24 PM 983 Views
Re: Compulsion is limited - 28/01/2010 06:35:05 PM 1110 Views
Re: Compulsion is limited - 28/01/2010 08:26:37 PM 866 Views
Re: Graendal's death would imply a major logical flaw in the story. - 27/01/2010 09:11:32 PM 981 Views
There's really no further purpose for her character. - 09/02/2010 10:52:58 PM 1069 Views

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