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I think Graendal's death was a great scene Etzel Send a noteboard - 25/01/2010 05:26:51 PM
It completely surprised me that Rand would really balefire a whole palace and thus showed that Rand became very unscrupulous in his war against the Shadow. That Rand came up with the idea to prove Graendal's death with balefire & Compulsion was also very clever.

If Nynaeve hadn't find Graendal's spy in time, and if she hadn't successfully dispelled the Compulsion to get the name of Graendal's hiding place, Rand wouldn't have learned where Graendal is. Graendal isn't that stupid, but - like the other Forsaken - she is also far from the genius that some readers consider her to be. Therefore she was outsmarted by Rand.
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Graendal's death would imply a major logical flaw in the story. - 25/01/2010 05:18:23 PM 2740 Views
I think Graendal's death was a great scene - 25/01/2010 05:26:51 PM 1472 Views
The scene itself was great. The rest is crap. - 25/01/2010 05:37:44 PM 1272 Views
After reading 12 WoT books... - 25/01/2010 05:46:31 PM 1372 Views
You also ignored... - 25/01/2010 08:15:34 PM 1382 Views
and of course, the obvious theme - 25/01/2010 09:02:56 PM 1190 Views
Bah! - 25/01/2010 11:49:33 PM 1337 Views
It's possible that this was mainly written by BS - 26/01/2010 12:03:03 PM 1303 Views
I agree that the set up for her death was rather lame - 25/01/2010 06:14:07 PM 1539 Views
I agree and have my own additional notes as to why I don't think she is dead. - 25/01/2010 06:18:30 PM 1334 Views
Re: I agree and have my own additional notes as to why I don't think she is dead. - 25/01/2010 06:44:34 PM 1270 Views
well one of her major character parallels is Josef Mengel - 25/01/2010 06:54:43 PM 1091 Views
Can you think of any way that would explain the Compulsion vanishing? - 25/01/2010 07:52:40 PM 1090 Views
that's kind of my whole point - 25/01/2010 08:43:19 PM 1023 Views
Uh, not actually at all really - 25/01/2010 09:07:52 PM 1324 Views
*shudders* - 26/01/2010 02:27:35 AM 1190 Views
*shrugs* - 26/01/2010 08:47:21 AM 1228 Views
None of those "easy explanations" could work - 26/01/2010 07:14:16 AM 1127 Views
my entire problem with the scene is that it just felt too open ended - 26/01/2010 08:58:37 AM 1211 Views
Can't she knot it to disapate after being examined once? - 26/01/2010 03:43:55 AM 1054 Views
Do we have evidence that this is possible? - 26/01/2010 03:44:48 AM 1218 Views
why would Graendal do that anyway? - 26/01/2010 04:26:38 AM 1224 Views
Re: why would Graendal do that anyway? - 03/02/2010 02:52:32 AM 1165 Views
Re: I agree and have my own additional notes as to why I don't think she is dead. - 26/01/2010 02:03:51 AM 1284 Views
I'm glad you think Be'lal is alive. - 26/01/2010 07:38:40 AM 1038 Views
Re: I'm glad you think Be'lal is alive. - 26/01/2010 08:49:00 AM 1234 Views
Re: I'm glad you think Be'lal is alive. - 26/01/2010 09:19:35 AM 1015 Views
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Didn't Balthamel and Aginor leave corpses? - 26/01/2010 04:35:19 PM 1207 Views
Re: Didn't Balthamel and Aginor leave corpses? - 26/01/2010 07:06:01 PM 1082 Views
Re: - 26/01/2010 04:44:06 PM 1194 Views
He was balefired by a direct stream in front of at least two credible witnesses. - 26/01/2010 04:10:13 PM 1191 Views
Me, Too. - 28/01/2010 08:00:09 PM 1189 Views
Re: I agree and have my own additional notes as to why I don't think she is dead. - 25/01/2010 08:56:16 PM 1305 Views
I believe she's dead - 25/01/2010 09:06:37 PM 1139 Views
Re: I believe she's dead - 25/01/2010 09:09:58 PM 1188 Views
I don't think she would have taught anyone - 25/01/2010 09:18:03 PM 1006 Views
The compulsion did not disappear immediately. Read the damned scene! - 25/01/2010 11:54:02 PM 1308 Views
Re: The compulsion did not disappear immediately. Read the damned scene! - 26/01/2010 01:22:57 AM 1062 Views
Stop passing judgments... - 26/01/2010 02:05:21 AM 1249 Views
But your theories are becoming increasingly farfetched - 26/01/2010 04:21:21 AM 1118 Views
I repeat that I find her "death" monumental... - 26/01/2010 07:16:13 PM 1095 Views
Re: I repeat that I find her "death" monumental... - 26/01/2010 07:23:29 PM 1130 Views
Dude, then you derailed the thread... - 26/01/2010 07:31:55 PM 1038 Views
Not really - 26/01/2010 07:35:06 PM 1140 Views
Re: Not really - 26/01/2010 07:45:20 PM 1207 Views
Re: Not really - 28/01/2010 04:27:17 PM 1125 Views
Re: Stop passing judgments... - 26/01/2010 04:40:37 PM 1092 Views
*NM* - 26/01/2010 05:00:10 PM 602 Views
Everyone can see residues- only a select few can "read" them - 26/01/2010 07:42:19 AM 1152 Views
no she said she wouldn't risk strength and skill in the same place - 26/01/2010 08:51:31 AM 1057 Views
Re: no she said she wouldn't risk strength and skill in the same place - 26/01/2010 11:37:26 AM 1186 Views
read the whole quote - 26/01/2010 04:35:17 PM 886 Views
LOL! You read the whole quote - 26/01/2010 07:00:41 PM 1002 Views
the risk she won't take is strength and skill residing together. - 27/01/2010 12:40:09 AM 1079 Views
Re: the risk she won't take is strength and skill residing together. - 28/01/2010 04:28:21 PM 1216 Views
I don't see any flaws. - 25/01/2010 09:14:44 PM 1257 Views
But... - 25/01/2010 11:44:49 PM 1010 Views
Re: But... - 26/01/2010 01:14:51 AM 1149 Views
That is what I thought ... - 26/01/2010 01:24:18 AM 1060 Views
That still doesn't make sense. - 26/01/2010 02:23:12 AM 1243 Views
But, having a clean up guy does make sense. - 26/01/2010 03:02:13 AM 1274 Views
But the clean up guy would require another clean up guy! - 26/01/2010 03:35:44 AM 1127 Views
Re: But the clean up guy would require another clean up guy! - 26/01/2010 04:12:41 AM 1055 Views
Nonsense. - 26/01/2010 07:50:04 AM 993 Views
Dude, read what I said please... - 26/01/2010 07:21:52 PM 1169 Views
Re: Dude, read what I said please... - 26/01/2010 09:28:25 PM 1155 Views
Kerb had no initiative... he was under too heavy a Compulsion to think for himself - 27/01/2010 12:45:47 AM 1042 Views
I think he had some, albeit probably not a whole lot - 27/01/2010 01:03:44 AM 1098 Views
Nynaeve and Elayne were under a weaker compulsion... - 27/01/2010 03:10:52 AM 917 Views
We don't know that, exactly - 27/01/2010 03:50:44 AM 989 Views
If you cannot provide an answer... - 27/01/2010 03:10:40 AM 1069 Views
Seriously? - 27/01/2010 03:55:57 AM 1093 Views
Maybe... - 27/01/2010 11:08:10 AM 1053 Views
Messenger was running around being obvious. Noone would suspect Kerb though. Case Closed. *NM* - 26/01/2010 11:08:16 AM 748 Views
Thank the creator you're not in the police then. *NM* - 26/01/2010 07:22:29 PM 690 Views
Ok, in more detail: - 26/01/2010 08:16:30 PM 1171 Views
I'm tired of making this point... - 26/01/2010 08:39:22 PM 908 Views
Re: I'm tired of making this point... - 26/01/2010 08:44:51 PM 1088 Views
Thoughts - 26/01/2010 01:05:45 AM 1009 Views
But that means she's dead - 26/01/2010 01:20:19 AM 1049 Views
Re: But that means she's dead - 26/01/2010 05:31:25 AM 1144 Views
Nope. Ramshalan was just "collecting taxes" or something. - 26/01/2010 11:10:25 AM 986 Views
Re: Nope. Ramshalan was NOT just "collecting taxes" or something. - 26/01/2010 05:41:17 PM 1061 Views
By, the way, if I understand this correctly... - 26/01/2010 04:49:45 PM 1223 Views
Indeed... - 26/01/2010 05:13:53 PM 1232 Views
Re: Indeed... - 26/01/2010 07:04:40 PM 1053 Views
I'm not arguing she's alive, but... - 26/01/2010 07:29:42 PM 1072 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... - 26/01/2010 07:58:41 PM 1059 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... - 26/01/2010 09:42:52 PM 874 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... - 27/01/2010 03:26:46 AM 1087 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... - 27/01/2010 04:05:23 AM 1195 Views
That's not fair - 27/01/2010 04:09:38 AM 1035 Views
I agree about the 'awesome' part . - 27/01/2010 05:41:00 AM 1013 Views
I just think it's funny that what you call omniscience has been done by the Forsaken before. - 27/01/2010 02:02:44 PM 1007 Views
But Graendal was the victim of a greater plot. - 27/01/2010 05:30:28 PM 1111 Views
So your response is that Ishamael/Moridin is omniscient, not Graendal. - 27/01/2010 05:57:20 PM 1176 Views
Give me one example. Just one. *NM* - 27/01/2010 06:52:44 PM 716 Views
Ishamael plans millennia ahead by sowing the seeds for the Black Ajah, the Seanchan and the current - 28/01/2010 01:57:39 PM 1174 Views
Not even comparable. - 28/01/2010 06:31:06 PM 943 Views
Re: Not even comparable. - 28/01/2010 07:50:38 PM 1056 Views
Could you please take the effort to read my posts? - 28/01/2010 10:45:01 PM 1009 Views
Re: Could you please take the effort to read my posts? - 29/01/2010 03:49:43 PM 1056 Views
Re: Could you please take the effort to read my posts? - 29/01/2010 06:40:43 PM 1042 Views
And, just to double post: - 27/01/2010 07:12:17 PM 826 Views
Re: And, just to double post: - 27/01/2010 08:25:45 PM 1090 Views
Nice answer. - 28/01/2010 12:10:27 AM 1149 Views
Re: Nice answer. - 28/01/2010 01:55:16 PM 1079 Views
Hilarious. - 28/01/2010 06:36:22 PM 1184 Views
Re: Hilarious. - 28/01/2010 07:15:20 PM 1082 Views
Re: Hilarious. - 28/01/2010 07:41:29 PM 1093 Views
Re: Hilarious. - 28/01/2010 07:53:34 PM 943 Views
Re: Hilarious. - 28/01/2010 10:55:57 PM 1126 Views
That's because you didn't look at other posts. - 29/01/2010 03:37:08 PM 1076 Views
Moridin's main directive was.. - 29/01/2010 03:57:41 PM 1111 Views
Re: Moridin's main directive was.. - 29/01/2010 04:50:16 PM 1153 Views
Preventing order wasn't accomplished... - 29/01/2010 05:12:22 PM 1112 Views
I disagree. - 29/01/2010 05:28:59 PM 1504 Views
You expect me to search every post you've made on this forum, ever? - 29/01/2010 06:50:49 PM 1032 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... - 27/01/2010 01:00:42 AM 1062 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... - 27/01/2010 03:26:56 AM 1108 Views
Re: I'm not arguing she's alive, but... - 27/01/2010 05:35:39 AM 1082 Views
I don't see a flaw - 27/01/2010 06:24:44 AM 1168 Views
Re: I don't see a flaw - 27/01/2010 04:18:27 PM 1117 Views
Let's give you one logic path for Millisair being poisoned. - 27/01/2010 05:47:04 PM 1103 Views
Spot on. *NM* - 28/01/2010 04:09:26 AM 706 Views
I don't think there's a flaw, I think you misinterpret Graendal's plans - 27/01/2010 06:57:44 PM 1085 Views
Good point on Ituralde - he may still be Compulsed in ways we're yet to discover. *NM* - 28/01/2010 04:11:15 AM 688 Views
Compulsion is limited - 28/01/2010 04:30:24 PM 1066 Views
Re: Compulsion is limited - 28/01/2010 06:35:05 PM 1200 Views
Re: Compulsion is limited - 28/01/2010 08:26:37 PM 974 Views
Re: Graendal's death would imply a major logical flaw in the story. - 27/01/2010 09:11:32 PM 1063 Views
There's really no further purpose for her character. - 09/02/2010 10:52:58 PM 1149 Views

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