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That idea has also been disproven ... Shishka Send a noteboard - 20/01/2010 08:19:22 PM

The only thought I have is that maybe she's weaker because a TP Shield was woven on her, one similar to the one she wove on Asmo, that limits the amount that can be channeled. Moridin decided she needed most of her strength to be useful to him and not be outmatched by the other female Forsaken, but her pride needs to be hurt enough so that she knows she can't channel the most right now. She's just as strong as her peers.

I tried to say this in my previous post ... the idea that Cyndane's strength is being tampered with in any way (via TP shield or anything else) has been disproven by BS himself.

Here's the Q&A (see the bolded part in particular):

Brandon: When it comes to this certain character that you are talking about [Cyndane], there is a whole thing where Maria and I exchanged a bunch of emails about this. She had managed to pull some things out of the notes that I had not seen, which is interesting, because I was going off of something else. I did not think that Cyndane should be nearly as powerful as she was put in the books as being, so I had been under the belief that the Dark One was pulling shenanigans…
Matt: ...like a little, in essence, let’s say what the Forsaken Lanfear did to Asmodean, you thought maybe the Dark One was doing some similar…shielding…
Brandon: …or the other way around…here is a little extra Power you can draw upon while I am pleased with you, I can take this away…
Matt: ...that is a question…let’s jump to that question, there have been some theories that talk about Lanfear…
Brandon: ...let’s back up and say I was wrong. I was interpreting the notes a certain way. Maria was able to pull something out that I had not seen that made it clear that I had misinterpreted, and that that is not the case, Cyndane is not under any shenanigans. What you see is what you get.
Matt: Cyndane and her alter ego have never been under any shenanigans?
Brandon: I’m not going to say never been under any shenanigans, but when you see her creating a gateway she is legitimately powerful enough to do it, which I did not believe that she was. Does that make sense? This is all digging into my read of the notes versus Maria’s read of the notes, and Maria was right. She was able to provide information to me that I had not seen which is nice because it was stuff that was very pertinent for what I am working on right now. It would have come out eventually when I would have sent her the scenes I’m working on, but it came out earlier, which is nice. Once I found out what was going on it all made perfect sense.
Matt: So, we will understand then in the next book why there is a decrease in Power but not a significant decrease?
Brandon: Yes.

That pretty much eliminates the idea that Cyndane's reduced power is due to some sort of shield, or any other temporary mechanism, IMO.

Rise and fall, turn the Wheel,
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My Lanfear/Cyndane theory has been disproven. Shishka - 20/01/2010 05:12:58 PM 2767 Views

It was discussed Etzel - 20/01/2010 05:27:43 PM 1115 Views

Re: It was discussed Shishka - 20/01/2010 07:09:01 PM 898 Views

Maybe... Etzel - 20/01/2010 07:15:57 PM 834 Views

Re: Maybe... Shishka - 20/01/2010 08:53:47 PM 882 Views

Yeah, that would be a possibility! *NM* Etzel - 20/01/2010 09:01:26 PM 806 Views

That doesn't really jive with Aran'gar though darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 09:03:35 PM 828 Views

But... Etzel - 20/01/2010 09:11:47 PM 805 Views

I think it's pretty obvious that pretty much any man is going to be darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 09:41:40 PM 761 Views

The idea behind this theory is... Etzel - 21/01/2010 07:15:19 AM 940 Views

Maybe there is a difference between male souls and female souls ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 09:35:57 PM 830 Views

Plausible darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 09:45:21 PM 921 Views

Actually, I didn't mean to imply that my idea of female strength is related to body size ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 10:10:48 PM 809 Views

LOL ... I hear ya on that darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 10:17:02 PM 880 Views

I'm so pleased this theory is false! darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 05:00:06 PM 740 Views

people didn't like it when I proposed it kcf - 20/01/2010 05:31:18 PM 1065 Views

Thanks. Shishka - 20/01/2010 08:36:58 PM 943 Views

I don't like the idea that she was healed by a woman Skeeve the Great - 20/01/2010 05:48:19 PM 887 Views

I agree, and it seems unlikely that a new "better" method darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 06:07:04 PM 811 Views

It's NOT due to Stilling or Healing and it's NOT due to Cyndane's weaker body... Shannow - 20/01/2010 06:46:08 PM 927 Views

I think Moiraine's gaining strength seems a little too LotR. darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 06:55:34 PM 836 Views

I think Moraine gaining strength is VERY LotR. That's why I think RJ went with it... *NM* Shannow - 20/01/2010 06:57:39 PM 526 Views

yet he moved away from LotR very early in the series *NM* darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 06:59:05 PM 491 Views

I also like that theory Sidious - 20/01/2010 07:14:20 PM 872 Views

I think BS's error regarding Cyndane's strength can also be explained by this theory... Shannow - 20/01/2010 07:17:59 PM 829 Views

Yes perhaps Sidious - 20/01/2010 07:25:06 PM 866 Views

Cadsuane is considerably stronger than Moiraine darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 07:31:42 PM 844 Views

Nope... Shannow - 20/01/2010 07:38:55 PM 820 Views

I disagree as usual darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 07:45:29 PM 730 Views

We don't know the magnitude of what Aes Sedai consider a significant strength difference... Shannow - 20/01/2010 07:54:38 PM 820 Views

You are comparing Male and female strength here darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 08:18:45 PM 901 Views

Why do you misquote Moiraine? Shannow - 20/01/2010 08:39:55 PM 833 Views

Agreeing to disagree here ... we interpret the evidence differently and it's futile to argue. darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 08:41:08 PM 1002 Views

Cadsuane isn't too strong Sidious - 21/01/2010 04:19:41 AM 840 Views

Actually... fionwe1987 - 21/01/2010 05:57:43 AM 819 Views

Re: Actually... Sidious - 21/01/2010 12:31:53 PM 858 Views

Sorry, that was the Glossary... fionwe1987 - 21/01/2010 08:07:56 PM 740 Views

Sidious - 22/01/2010 11:05:23 AM 928 Views

So Glossary or character? fionwe1987 - 22/01/2010 10:22:15 PM 612 Views

Re: Actually... The_Archer - 12/12/2010 04:42:22 PM 858 Views

Re: I think BS's error regarding Cyndane's strength can also be explained by this theory... Shishka - 20/01/2010 07:43:28 PM 827 Views

Agree with both your comments... Shannow - 20/01/2010 07:46:07 PM 839 Views

Re: Agree with both your comments... Shishka - 20/01/2010 08:24:16 PM 875 Views

Hmm ... I think maybe BS DID know about Cyndane being stronger than Graendal ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 09:20:31 PM 837 Views

But seriously... Etzel - 21/01/2010 12:14:16 PM 730 Views

Re: But seriously... Sidious - 21/01/2010 12:34:18 PM 903 Views

I don't think it has to be so unique... Etzel - 21/01/2010 01:13:00 PM 863 Views

Re: I don't think it has to be so unique... Sidious - 21/01/2010 04:49:42 PM 847 Views

Also would explain the question of why Moiraine left the angreal on the wagon instead of using it... Shannow - 21/01/2010 02:30:46 PM 840 Views

I think it makes more sense... Etzel - 21/01/2010 02:34:30 PM 868 Views

Lanfear would have been toast if Moiraine had the angreal, plus foreknowledge of the confrontation.. Shannow - 21/01/2010 02:38:57 PM 820 Views

In her letter to Thom Etzel - 21/01/2010 02:55:32 PM 845 Views

One other tiny thing Sareitha Sedai - 21/01/2010 03:18:03 PM 800 Views

Yes, and that is often overlooked Sidious - 21/01/2010 04:48:08 PM 745 Views

That's my interpretation, also ... Shishka - 21/01/2010 04:00:35 PM 725 Views

Nods in agreement darius_sedai - 21/01/2010 06:24:59 PM 884 Views

I think the "bubble of hope" was simply ... Shishka - 21/01/2010 07:08:44 PM 675 Views

Agreed *NM* darius_sedai - 21/01/2010 11:38:43 PM 505 Views

No, I don't think so Sidious - 21/01/2010 04:43:53 PM 909 Views

I always figured Lanfear bargained away some power to escape the Finns beetnemesis - 20/01/2010 07:37:31 PM 820 Views

But... Etzel - 20/01/2010 07:50:14 PM 874 Views

Re: My Lanfear/Cyndane theory has been disproven. callandor1000 - 20/01/2010 07:51:38 PM 1075 Views

That idea has also been disproven ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 08:19:22 PM 962 Views

Agreed... Etzel - 20/01/2010 08:36:47 PM 723 Views

Yeah ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 08:43:24 PM 866 Views

The closest I ever saw was the "Lightfriend/Purple Ajah" theory darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 08:46:20 PM 1097 Views

Yeah, the Verin revelation was cool... Etzel - 20/01/2010 08:48:53 PM 811 Views

Re: That idea has also been disproven ... callandor1000 - 21/01/2010 05:12:45 PM 802 Views

I think it may be more simple than it seems. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/01/2010 04:15:05 PM 923 Views

Doesn't fit with BS's words Etzel - 21/01/2010 04:27:43 PM 760 Views

Also ... Shishka - 21/01/2010 04:32:58 PM 725 Views

I don't think BS words or Cyndane's comments really prove anything. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/01/2010 04:42:59 PM 856 Views

BS says that Cyndane is truly weaker. So, this theory is out. *NM* Etzel - 21/01/2010 04:46:48 PM 549 Views

Re: BS says that Cyndane is truly weaker. So, this theory is out. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/01/2010 04:49:09 PM 847 Views

Well, actually Etzel - 21/01/2010 04:54:17 PM 760 Views

Re: Well, actually RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/01/2010 05:11:10 PM 770 Views

The wording is absolutely unambiguous, but I suppose one can argue everything.

*NM* Etzel - 21/01/2010 05:24:03 PM 571 Views

Re: The wording is absolutely unambiguous, but I suppose one can argue everything.

RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/01/2010 06:07:09 PM 1077 Views

I agree darius_sedai - 21/01/2010 06:23:34 PM 840 Views

Re: I agree Sidious - 21/01/2010 07:59:36 PM 841 Views

Re: I agree darius_sedai - 22/01/2010 07:23:37 AM 749 Views

Re: I agree Sidious - 22/01/2010 11:11:55 AM 917 Views

LOL ... I love that you of all people are going to fall back on this argument! darius_sedai - 22/01/2010 07:41:00 PM 790 Views

Re: LOL ... I love that you of all people are going to fall back on this argument! Sidious - 22/01/2010 08:05:08 PM 909 Views

and you have zero evidence that Lanfear is considerably stronger than the others darius_sedai - 22/01/2010 11:23:11 PM 673 Views

It's also a totally abstruse explanation, though, and therefore certainy wrong.

*NM* Etzel - 22/01/2010 11:55:17 AM 652 Views

I think... Etzel - 21/01/2010 06:46:57 PM 802 Views

Re: I think... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/01/2010 06:58:49 PM 689 Views

You are right... Etzel - 21/01/2010 07:12:47 PM 790 Views

Re: You are right... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/01/2010 07:21:00 PM 893 Views

Anyone who thinks she's hiding her strength is wrong Sidious - 21/01/2010 08:09:42 PM 1096 Views

Indeed, it's pretty idiotic. *NM* Etzel - 21/01/2010 08:19:53 PM 451 Views

Dude... fionwe1987 - 21/01/2010 08:51:08 PM 834 Views

Re: Dude... Sidious - 22/01/2010 11:14:08 AM 865 Views

Re: Dude... fionwe1987 - 22/01/2010 10:21:15 PM 1008 Views

Meh RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/01/2010 11:19:16 PM 691 Views

Re: Meh Sidious - 22/01/2010 11:15:20 AM 844 Views

Re: Meh RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/01/2010 03:09:10 PM 790 Views

Re: Meh Sidious - 22/01/2010 04:15:51 PM 813 Views

actually if one really wants to figure out what happened to Cyndane darius_sedai - 21/01/2010 07:00:33 PM 980 Views

Dumb question, but do transmigrated souls need to re-reach their full potential? Gher - 21/01/2010 06:19:57 PM 821 Views

It seems like they start out as powerful as they were, but I don't think it's ever been stated *NM* darius_sedai - 21/01/2010 06:44:45 PM 539 Views

Agreed. *NM* Shishka - 21/01/2010 07:03:13 PM 465 Views

That's what I thought. *NM* Gher - 21/01/2010 10:05:38 PM 483 Views

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<quote>The only thought I have is that maybe she's weaker because a TP Shield was woven on her, one similar to the one she wove on Asmo, that limits the amount that can be channeled. Moridin decided she needed most of her strength to be useful to him and not be outmatched by the other female Forsaken, but her pride needs to be hurt enough so that she knows she can't channel the most right now. She's just as strong as her peers. </quote>

I tried to say this in my previous post ... the idea that Cyndane's strength is being tampered with in any way (via TP shield or anything else) has been disproven by BS himself.

Here's the Q&A (see the bolded part in particular):

<i>Brandon:  When it comes to this certain character that you are talking about [Cyndane], there is a whole thing where Maria and I exchanged a bunch of emails about this. She had managed to pull some things out of the notes that I had not seen, which is interesting, because I was going off of something else. I did not think that Cyndane should be nearly as powerful as she was put in the books as being, so I had been under the belief that the Dark One was pulling shenanigans…
Matt: ...like a little, in essence, let’s say what the Forsaken Lanfear did to Asmodean, you thought maybe the Dark One was doing some similar…shielding…
Brandon: …or the other way around…here is a little extra Power you can draw upon while I am pleased with you, I can take this away…
Matt: ...that is a question…let’s jump to that question, there have been some theories that talk about Lanfear…
Brandon: ...let’s back up and say I was wrong. I was interpreting the notes a certain way. Maria was able to pull something out that I had not seen that made it clear that I had misinterpreted, and that that is not the case, <b>Cyndane is not under any shenanigans. What you see is what you get.</b>
Matt: Cyndane and her alter ego have never been under any shenanigans?
Brandon: I’m not going to say never been under any shenanigans, but when you see her creating a gateway she is legitimately powerful enough to do it, which I did not believe that she was. Does that make sense? This is all digging into my read of the notes versus Maria’s read of the notes, and Maria was right. She was able to provide information to me that I had not seen which is nice because it was stuff that was very pertinent for what I am working on right now. It would have come out eventually when I would have sent her the scenes I’m working on, but it came out earlier, which is nice. Once I found out what was going on it all made perfect sense.
Matt: So, we will understand then in the next book why there is a decrease in Power but not a significant decrease?
Brandon: Yes.</i>

That pretty much eliminates the idea that Cyndane's reduced power is due to some sort of shield, or any other temporary mechanism, IMO.
</quote>

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