Remember, as far as we know BS only has a strength list with 21 levels on it. By all accounts, he doesn't really know HOW MUCH stronger one channeler is than another. As in, he knows channelers are 1 or 2 or 5 levels stronger than other channelers, but he doesn't know whether they're 25% stronger, 50% stronger or 100% stronger.
So, when BS first made the comment about Cyndane being VERY weak, it was because he still didn't have Maria's understanding of the VAST strength gap between Lanfear and Moiraine.
All BS knew, was that the amount of Power that Lanfear lost, was enough to make Moiraine stronger than say Cadsuane.
So, if BS thought Cadsuane was a pretty strong channeler, say close to Forsaken strength, then he would think that for Moiraine to gain so much, and Lanfear to lose so much, would make Cyndane very weak.
As an example, I believe that if Lanfear has 100 strength, then Cadsuane has around 35 and Moiraine has around 30. But if BS had an incorrect understanding of this, he might have thought that if Lanfear is at 100, then Cadsuane is at 80 and Moiraine is at 50. So, for Moiraine to exceed Cadsuane, she might have to go up to 90, a gain of 40 units of strength. If that same amount had to come off of Lanfear, then Cyndane would now be on only 60 strength.
In reality, however, we know that Moiraine doesn't have to gain much to surpass Cadsuane, and therefore Cyndane doesn't have to be much lower than Lanfear to have transferred that portion of her strength to Moiraine.
So, when BS first made the comment about Cyndane being VERY weak, it was because he still didn't have Maria's understanding of the VAST strength gap between Lanfear and Moiraine.
All BS knew, was that the amount of Power that Lanfear lost, was enough to make Moiraine stronger than say Cadsuane.
So, if BS thought Cadsuane was a pretty strong channeler, say close to Forsaken strength, then he would think that for Moiraine to gain so much, and Lanfear to lose so much, would make Cyndane very weak.
As an example, I believe that if Lanfear has 100 strength, then Cadsuane has around 35 and Moiraine has around 30. But if BS had an incorrect understanding of this, he might have thought that if Lanfear is at 100, then Cadsuane is at 80 and Moiraine is at 50. So, for Moiraine to exceed Cadsuane, she might have to go up to 90, a gain of 40 units of strength. If that same amount had to come off of Lanfear, then Cyndane would now be on only 60 strength.
In reality, however, we know that Moiraine doesn't have to gain much to surpass Cadsuane, and therefore Cyndane doesn't have to be much lower than Lanfear to have transferred that portion of her strength to Moiraine.
NS
An Arrival
"A little more care with the other cups," the Green said, unperturbed by all the gaping. "Child?" Moiraine returned to the hearth still staring, and Cadsuane went on. "Meilyn is considerably older. When she and I are gone, that leaves Kerene the strongest." Larelle flinched. Did the woman mean to violate every custom in one go? "Am I disturbing you?" Cadsuane's solicitous tone could not have been more false, and she did not wait for an answer. "Holding our silence about age doesn't keep people from knowing we live longer than they. Phaaw! From Kerene, it's a sharp drop to the next five. Five once this child and the Sanche girl reach their potential. And one of those is as old as I am and in retirement to boot."
Note that Cadsuane is stronger than Kerene and there is a "sharp drop" from Kerene to Moiraine. If Cadsuane is one level above Kerene, Kerene is at least 2 levels above Moiraine or it would not be a "sharp drop" ... if Cadsuane is a 65 and Kerene a 60, then Moiraine couldn't be more than a 50. You would have to take 20 points from Lanfear's 100 to make Moiraine stronger than Cadsuane and that makes Cyndane too weak to be stronger than the other FS women.
Even if Cadsuane is a 45 Moiraine would be maybe a 35 at most meaning you'd still have to take 15 points from Lanfear, which is still too much for Cyndane to be stronger than Graendal without making all the other FS women far too weak!
If Moiraine is 30, and Cadsuane is 40, then you only need to take about 15 from Lanfear to make Moiraine stronger than Cadsuane, and only 10 to make her equal to Cadsuane.
The consensus has always been that the likes of Graendal are significantly weaker than Lanfear. Lanfear is most likely around 20% stronger than Graendal.
that 1. Cadsuane is so weak and 2. that the other FS women are 20% weaker than Lanfear. There is no way that Graendal would have been willing to go toe to toe with Lanfear in tFoH if she were that much weaker. Not to mention a 10 point spread does not equal the evidence from NS on how much stronger Cadsuane is than Moiraine while still leaving room for the "sharp drop" after Kerene.
Here's another NS quote
An Arrival
A number of women were stronger than she, but only one could be as much stronger as this one. Unwillingly, she looked over her shoulder.
But I'm not going to argue in circles with your opinions on OP strength ... it's been beaten to death as it is. Suffice to say I disagree with your assessment of strength
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
My Lanfear/Cyndane theory has been disproven.
20/01/2010 05:12:58 PM
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It was discussed
20/01/2010 05:27:43 PM
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Re: It was discussed
20/01/2010 07:09:01 PM
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Maybe...
20/01/2010 07:15:57 PM
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Re: Maybe...
20/01/2010 08:53:47 PM
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That doesn't really jive with Aran'gar though
20/01/2010 09:03:35 PM
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But...
20/01/2010 09:11:47 PM
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I think it's pretty obvious that pretty much any man is going to be
20/01/2010 09:41:40 PM
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Maybe there is a difference between male souls and female souls ...
20/01/2010 09:35:57 PM
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Plausible
20/01/2010 09:45:21 PM
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Actually, I didn't mean to imply that my idea of female strength is related to body size ...
20/01/2010 10:10:48 PM
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It's NOT due to Stilling or Healing and it's NOT due to Cyndane's weaker body...
20/01/2010 06:46:08 PM
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I think Moiraine's gaining strength seems a little too LotR.
20/01/2010 06:55:34 PM
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I think Moraine gaining strength is VERY LotR. That's why I think RJ went with it... *NM*
20/01/2010 06:57:39 PM
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I also like that theory
20/01/2010 07:14:20 PM
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I think BS's error regarding Cyndane's strength can also be explained by this theory...
20/01/2010 07:17:59 PM
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Cadsuane is considerably stronger than Moiraine
20/01/2010 07:31:42 PM
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Nope...
20/01/2010 07:38:55 PM
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I disagree as usual
20/01/2010 07:45:29 PM
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We don't know the magnitude of what Aes Sedai consider a significant strength difference...
20/01/2010 07:54:38 PM
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You are comparing Male and female strength here
20/01/2010 08:18:45 PM
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Why do you misquote Moiraine?
20/01/2010 08:39:55 PM
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Agreeing to disagree here ... we interpret the evidence differently and it's futile to argue.
20/01/2010 08:41:08 PM
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Cadsuane isn't too strong
21/01/2010 04:19:41 AM
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Actually...
21/01/2010 05:57:43 AM
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Re: Actually...
21/01/2010 12:31:53 PM
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Re: I think BS's error regarding Cyndane's strength can also be explained by this theory...
20/01/2010 07:43:28 PM
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Agree with both your comments...
20/01/2010 07:46:07 PM
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Hmm ... I think maybe BS DID know about Cyndane being stronger than Graendal ...
20/01/2010 09:20:31 PM
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But seriously...
21/01/2010 12:14:16 PM
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Re: But seriously...
21/01/2010 12:34:18 PM
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Also would explain the question of why Moiraine left the angreal on the wagon instead of using it...
21/01/2010 02:30:46 PM
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I think it makes more sense...
21/01/2010 02:34:30 PM
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Lanfear would have been toast if Moiraine had the angreal, plus foreknowledge of the confrontation..
21/01/2010 02:38:57 PM
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In her letter to Thom
21/01/2010 02:55:32 PM
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That's my interpretation, also ...
21/01/2010 04:00:35 PM
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Nods in agreement
21/01/2010 06:24:59 PM
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I always figured Lanfear bargained away some power to escape the Finns
20/01/2010 07:37:31 PM
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Re: My Lanfear/Cyndane theory has been disproven.
20/01/2010 07:51:38 PM
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That idea has also been disproven ...
20/01/2010 08:19:22 PM
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I think it may be more simple than it seems.
21/01/2010 04:15:05 PM
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Doesn't fit with BS's words
21/01/2010 04:27:43 PM
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Also ...
21/01/2010 04:32:58 PM
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I don't think BS words or Cyndane's comments really prove anything.
21/01/2010 04:42:59 PM
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BS says that Cyndane is truly weaker. So, this theory is out. *NM*
21/01/2010 04:46:48 PM
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Re: BS says that Cyndane is truly weaker. So, this theory is out.
21/01/2010 04:49:09 PM
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Well, actually
21/01/2010 04:54:17 PM
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Re: Well, actually
21/01/2010 05:11:10 PM
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The wording is absolutely unambiguous, but I suppose one can argue everything. *NM*
21/01/2010 05:24:03 PM
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Re: The wording is absolutely unambiguous, but I suppose one can argue everything.
21/01/2010 06:07:09 PM
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I agree
21/01/2010 06:23:34 PM
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Re: I agree
21/01/2010 07:59:36 PM
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Re: I agree
22/01/2010 07:23:37 AM
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Re: I agree
22/01/2010 11:11:55 AM
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LOL ... I love that you of all people are going to fall back on this argument!
22/01/2010 07:41:00 PM
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Re: LOL ... I love that you of all people are going to fall back on this argument!
22/01/2010 08:05:08 PM
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and you have zero evidence that Lanfear is considerably stronger than the others
22/01/2010 11:23:11 PM
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It's also a totally abstruse explanation, though, and therefore certainy wrong. *NM*
22/01/2010 11:55:17 AM
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I think...
21/01/2010 06:46:57 PM
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Re: I think...
21/01/2010 06:58:49 PM
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You are right...
21/01/2010 07:12:47 PM
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Anyone who thinks she's hiding her strength is wrong
21/01/2010 08:09:42 PM
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actually if one really wants to figure out what happened to Cyndane
21/01/2010 07:00:33 PM
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Dumb question, but do transmigrated souls need to re-reach their full potential?
21/01/2010 06:19:57 PM
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It seems like they start out as powerful as they were, but I don't think it's ever been stated *NM*
21/01/2010 06:44:45 PM
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