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I had a similar discussion with someone else, long ago ... Shishka Send a noteboard - 20/01/2010 04:05:03 PM
I cannot help but think that that would be a dangerous path to go down, as a True word would have to involve some sort of essentialist thought (wouldn't it?), and would probably leave the poor person unable to say anything but names.


We came to the conclusion that a very pedantic and philosophical White might find it impossible to say anything, given the wording of that Oath.
Rise and fall, turn the Wheel,
'cause all life is
is really just a circle.

-BHT&tM
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Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod Shishka - 18/01/2010 04:50:29 PM 2635 Views
I'm think Mesaana's hand is quicker than the eye Sidious - 18/01/2010 05:12:12 PM 1280 Views
Re: I'm think Mesaana's hand is quicker than the eye HyogaRott - 18/01/2010 05:43:26 PM 1188 Views
I like that idea ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:07:09 PM 1073 Views
A little archaic though Sidious - 18/01/2010 06:58:04 PM 1058 Views
Just because she's an academic ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 08:27:50 PM 1167 Views
Re: I'm think Mesaana's hand is quicker than the eye Shishka - 18/01/2010 05:58:44 PM 1049 Views
I don't think Messana would have fallen over dead Ryan - 18/01/2010 06:06:35 PM 1105 Views
I agree ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:15:25 PM 991 Views
I'm not sure Sidious - 18/01/2010 06:54:51 PM 1011 Views
It didn't when Romanda retook her Oaths in TGS darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:13:20 PM 840 Views
Hmmm ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 07:24:51 PM 1005 Views
No she unswore them and retook them darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:33:30 PM 1055 Views
Yeah, I realized that after I posted, so I editted my post (again) ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 07:36:39 PM 1024 Views
I'm not sure I follow darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:41:19 PM 1031 Views
The point I was trying to make was ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 08:05:16 PM 817 Views
Now I get it ... seems needlessly complex for the Oath Rod though darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 08:21:35 PM 814 Views
Yes, this is what I was thinking *NM* PhoenixReborn - 18/01/2010 08:29:20 PM 403 Views
What you suggested is pretty much what I've always thought ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 08:39:30 PM 826 Views
yup darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 09:02:04 PM 715 Views
I'm with you, though ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 09:27:59 PM 983 Views
The closest evidence we have is a Stilled/Burned out woman darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 09:49:41 PM 825 Views
But if being unbound reverts you to your normal lifespan, then being bound isn't really a punishment *NM* PhoenixReborn - 18/01/2010 09:52:29 PM 409 Views
Sure it is darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 10:02:09 PM 861 Views
Also ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 10:13:38 PM 846 Views
I considered that ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 10:11:32 PM 943 Views
I doubt we'll ever really know darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 10:26:43 PM 863 Views
Re: I'm not sure Shishka - 18/01/2010 07:22:34 PM 887 Views
interesting darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:46:12 PM 718 Views
Re: interesting Shishka - 18/01/2010 08:18:11 PM 868 Views
see above *NM* darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 08:23:28 PM 432 Views
I think it more like aging them faster... PhoenixReborn - 18/01/2010 08:24:56 PM 917 Views
and given how things in the AoL works this seems far more likely darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 08:32:52 PM 878 Views
Re: I'm not sure HyogaRott - 20/01/2010 12:59:27 PM 870 Views
She's not immortal ... yet darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 04:15:03 PM 773 Views
The Dark Ones Mark possibly could black the oath rod? *NM* Kieran - 20/01/2010 01:28:08 AM 398 Views
No, that can't be it, because when AS become Black Ajah ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 02:53:21 PM 799 Views
But Alviarin's mark is different. Perhaps the mark of a FS is too *NM* darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 04:21:16 PM 376 Views
Good point. I sort of misinterpreted what Kieran was suggesting. *NM* Shishka - 20/01/2010 07:19:02 PM 395 Views
Re: Good point. I sort of misinterpreted what Kieran was suggesting. Kieran - 22/01/2010 01:52:51 AM 961 Views
actually it's different darius_sedai - 22/01/2010 07:32:18 AM 917 Views
actually I think it's the same... Kieran - 23/01/2010 01:49:19 AM 610 Views
Nup. Unlike the FS, her mark will not allow her to order Darkspawn (plus more). *NM* Lord Haart - 23/01/2010 11:50:36 AM 405 Views
Which has nothing to do with my post regarding the Oath rod... *NM* Kieran - 24/01/2010 10:44:59 PM 401 Views
One point... fionwe1987 - 18/01/2010 06:12:26 PM 997 Views
Good point ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:21:22 PM 786 Views
here's another quote that gives us darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:12:09 PM 1033 Views
FYI ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:50:22 PM 958 Views
Re: FYI ... Sidious - 18/01/2010 06:56:02 PM 1012 Views
Therava channeled the flow, in that case ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 07:11:00 PM 688 Views
Yes Sidious - 18/01/2010 06:55:22 PM 766 Views
Re: I'm think Mesaana's hand is quicker than the eye Datakim - 18/01/2010 06:10:45 PM 837 Views
Re: Replacing it with a fake Logain - 18/01/2010 06:22:33 PM 814 Views
I highly doubt it ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:23:55 PM 871 Views
Why not ask somebody else to stand in for you? Artsapat - 19/01/2010 07:55:39 PM 893 Views
I like this idea. *NM* Lord Haart - 20/01/2010 03:11:51 AM 382 Views
I agree... Etzel - 18/01/2010 06:55:33 PM 971 Views
Re: Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod randfandom - 18/01/2010 09:43:34 PM 958 Views
I'm thinking the point of the thread is to discuss how to beat the Oath Rod, not Mesaana's disguise darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 09:59:18 PM 787 Views
Right, and also ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 10:17:11 PM 811 Views
Except that the best way to 'defeat' the Oath rod is - not to take the Oaths at all Lord Haart - 19/01/2010 03:18:43 AM 717 Views
IMHO... Great Lord of Chaos - 19/01/2010 03:41:10 AM 1001 Views
Another interesting possibility Skeeve the Great - 19/01/2010 05:08:42 PM 807 Views
I'd say it was highly unlikely that the Binder/Oath Rod works that way. *NM* Shishka - 19/01/2010 06:06:49 PM 344 Views
We've seen pretty weird stuff happens before Skeeve the Great - 19/01/2010 06:30:12 PM 875 Views
Oh, I agree ... Shishka - 19/01/2010 06:47:52 PM 680 Views
Re: Oh, I agree ... found a few tidbits ... EDIT darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 06:55:22 PM 819 Views
Heh, I had just dug up that quote myself, before I saw your edit ... Shishka - 19/01/2010 07:17:19 PM 841 Views
I agree, it seems as if Moghedien just effectively transmigrated Birgitte darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 10:00:45 PM 917 Views
she could just be posing as a non-channeler. badassashaman - 19/01/2010 05:52:01 PM 787 Views
If RJ/Brandon lied about that... then maybe Demandred is Taim after all. *NM* Lord Haart - 20/01/2010 03:20:42 AM 348 Views
To speak no word that is not true Tor - 19/01/2010 10:06:30 PM 860 Views
Could there be a true word, though? Camilla - 20/01/2010 03:47:46 PM 1110 Views
I had a similar discussion with someone else, long ago ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 04:05:03 PM 764 Views
Or would just be able to say "true, true. True true true, true true." etc. *NM* Lord Haart - 21/01/2010 06:17:20 PM 391 Views
In going through some old RJ quotes I found this gem... darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 10:22:03 PM 1131 Views
Nice find! Not sure if that is a "way to defeat the Oath Rod" exactly, but it's certainly feasible. Lord Haart - 20/01/2010 03:19:51 AM 972 Views
Wow, that's great. I wonder what else can be created there, like sa'angeals, etc. BlackAdder - 20/01/2010 03:54:01 AM 748 Views
Good find, I had forgotten about that quote ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 02:42:55 PM 853 Views
Yes Etzel - 20/01/2010 03:03:53 PM 840 Views
Agreed - our guts are thinking alike again. *NM* Shishka - 20/01/2010 03:12:30 PM 383 Views
Indeed Etzel - 20/01/2010 03:28:12 PM 736 Views
Oh I agree! I just thought it was funny that RJ made such a quote darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 04:20:09 PM 848 Views
In the AoL... fionwe1987 - 20/01/2010 04:49:24 PM 924 Views
Re: In the AoL... Shishka - 20/01/2010 07:17:55 PM 718 Views
I was thinking this too Sidious - 20/01/2010 07:18:19 PM 879 Views
Still seems like two oaths, to me, due to the "and" ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 07:27:03 PM 746 Views
The "and" means nothing... fionwe1987 - 20/01/2010 08:01:27 PM 695 Views
Re: Good find, I had forgotten about that quote ... Great Lord of Chaos - 21/01/2010 05:24:18 AM 1059 Views
I like it, mainly because it points to Mesaana being bested by Egwene in T'A'R RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/01/2010 04:26:34 PM 724 Views
Re: Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod Mikerad - 20/01/2010 04:11:37 AM 846 Views
Re: Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod Lord Haart - 20/01/2010 07:28:39 AM 796 Views
It can't be that easy ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 02:51:47 PM 805 Views
maybe she warded herself before goin in or just set her frame of mind to beat it *NM* nigelgoboom - 21/01/2010 02:07:17 AM 434 Views
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