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It can't be that easy ... Shishka Send a noteboard - 20/01/2010 02:51:47 PM
I just wonder if it isn't something simpler... swear the oaths, then channel the weave that removes the oaths, without the ter'angreal.

I haven't seen anything that says only an oath rod can free you from your oaths... but I could be missing something.


Remember, the original purpose of the the Oath Rod (Binder) in the AoL was to Bind criminal channelers, to prevent them from ever committing their crimes again. If the Oath(s) could simply be removed with a weave without the ter'angreal, then Binders would have been useless in the AoL.

Whatever solution Mesaana used has to be something that wouldn't have worked in the AoL. So, it can't be something that she did later, in the privacy of her own room; otherwise, criminals in the AoL could have done the same thing. It has to be something she did at the time she was taking the Oaths, that the 3rd Age channelers weren't aware of, but that AoL channelers would have prevented her from doing had she tried such a trick when being Bound as a criminal.
Rise and fall, turn the Wheel,
'cause all life is
is really just a circle.

-BHT&tM
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Re: Good point. I sort of misinterpreted what Kieran was suggesting. - 22/01/2010 01:52:51 AM 893 Views
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Re: Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod - 18/01/2010 09:43:34 PM 899 Views
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Right, and also ... - 18/01/2010 10:17:11 PM 743 Views
IMHO... - 19/01/2010 03:41:10 AM 938 Views
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Re: Oh, I agree ... found a few tidbits ... EDIT - 19/01/2010 06:55:22 PM 760 Views
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In the AoL... - 20/01/2010 04:49:24 PM 866 Views
Re: In the AoL... - 20/01/2010 07:17:55 PM 648 Views
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Re: Good find, I had forgotten about that quote ... - 21/01/2010 05:24:18 AM 996 Views
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Re: Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod - 20/01/2010 04:11:37 AM 782 Views
Re: Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod - 20/01/2010 07:28:39 AM 730 Views
It can't be that easy ... - 20/01/2010 02:51:47 PM 733 Views

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