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I have a hard time... Etzel Send a noteboard - 19/01/2010 02:17:52 PM
To believe that Graendal saw Elza in TAR, apparently Delved her there and then taught her the necessary weaves to get the DM, because she figured that this would ultimately lead to a confrontation, where Rand will balefire Semirhage with the TP to protect Min. At least to me the idea that Graendal could foresee all this seems very far-fetched (similar to the idea that she figured out how Rand would try to kill her and fled before the balefire came).

I also think Graendal's involvement makes then only sense, if she closely worked together with SH, knew everything about Moridin's link to Rand and that Semirhage should be sacrificed. I don't believe, though, that Moridin would give this away, since it's basically a great weakness for him.

And why wouldn't Graendal visit Elza then in the real world and already cure her Compulsion, and avoid losing any time by teaching Elza those weaves, because Graendal could simply get the DM on her own & give it to Elza.

Besides that, BS didn't even said that Elza was taught any AoL weaves, but that Elza "had been given knowledge of several rarely known weaves", and this seems to be related to becoming SH's tool. To me this rather sounds, as if SH was responsible. We have other examples of people, who were obviously changed by the TP, e.g. Alviarin, Fain or Slayer.
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Elza's Compulsion - 14/01/2010 08:41:04 PM 1948 Views
I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story - 14/01/2010 09:12:05 PM 895 Views
I disagree - 14/01/2010 09:27:27 PM 735 Views
except work with Semirhage! - 14/01/2010 09:34:37 PM 676 Views
Well... - 14/01/2010 09:43:40 PM 744 Views
SH can't channel thus can't teach Elza anything *NM* - 14/01/2010 10:20:19 PM 265 Views
Yeah, but according to BS, he apparently could "give her the knowledge". *shrug* *NM* - 15/01/2010 07:16:22 AM 242 Views
that's your interpretation of the quote - 15/01/2010 05:58:30 PM 582 Views
This and the others quotes suggest that only SH and Elza were involved *NM* - 16/01/2010 09:51:24 AM 216 Views
As I said that's certainly one of of interpreting the quotes - 16/01/2010 03:46:55 PM 513 Views
The question is... - 16/01/2010 03:59:24 PM 532 Views
Re: The question is... - 16/01/2010 04:02:55 PM 520 Views
Yeah, as I said elsewhere, would be a nice question for BS, if there was another Forsaken. *NM* - 16/01/2010 04:08:05 PM 560 Views
I bet you anything he'd giva a big fat RAFO to that - 16/01/2010 04:08:58 PM 525 Views
BS spoke quite openly about this scene, though - 16/01/2010 04:16:09 PM 548 Views
always worth a try, but wasn't he asked to be less open recently? - 16/01/2010 04:31:54 PM 520 Views
Shaidar Haran can't channel. - 14/01/2010 09:34:51 PM 879 Views
I know... - 14/01/2010 09:45:15 PM 738 Views
I agree with you, for a related but slightly different reason ... - 14/01/2010 09:58:28 PM 820 Views
That doesn't prove anything... - 14/01/2010 10:07:46 PM 764 Views
It proves enough for me ... - 14/01/2010 10:26:28 PM 649 Views
Re: That doesn't prove anything... - 15/01/2010 11:03:05 AM 490 Views
not really - 15/01/2010 05:29:25 PM 511 Views
I don't understand your theory - 16/01/2010 05:08:03 PM 501 Views
It's very simple - 16/01/2010 06:17:36 PM 494 Views
So in other words - 17/01/2010 06:31:58 PM 610 Views
no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct - 17/01/2010 06:43:41 PM 513 Views
Re: no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct - 18/01/2010 04:48:33 AM 537 Views
I'm talking about implanting knowledge into someone elses head - 18/01/2010 05:37:32 AM 538 Views
Here's Brandon's one answer - 18/01/2010 05:20:20 PM 533 Views
But... - 18/01/2010 05:48:54 PM 519 Views
Exactly my point - 18/01/2010 06:24:25 PM 556 Views
But by this logic... - 18/01/2010 06:50:43 PM 492 Views
Yes... - 18/01/2010 07:00:40 PM 550 Views
While you are right... - 18/01/2010 08:44:19 PM 538 Views
as we've discussed in another thread - 18/01/2010 09:08:56 PM 916 Views
I mean... - 19/01/2010 02:21:39 PM 533 Views
Weren't they specifically called Weaves that haven't been seen since the AoL? - 19/01/2010 05:26:38 PM 555 Views
"Elza had been given knowledge of several rarely known weaves" is the quote. - 19/01/2010 06:14:22 PM 495 Views
Well if they were secret Ajah weaves someone would have recognized them *NM* - 19/01/2010 06:21:19 PM 240 Views
Maybe secret BA weaves... - 19/01/2010 06:37:42 PM 740 Views
Possible since she was the only BA in the area - 19/01/2010 06:40:38 PM 775 Views
See, I think there's reason for her presence to be kept secret... - 18/01/2010 09:10:43 PM 578 Views
I have a hard time... - 19/01/2010 02:17:52 PM 592 Views
I agree with you - 19/01/2010 04:45:59 PM 514 Views
and you may very well be correct - 19/01/2010 05:39:02 PM 733 Views
Yet Rand/LTT tells us only a few chapters later - 14/01/2010 10:27:57 PM 600 Views
Anything is possible ... - 14/01/2010 10:54:46 PM 605 Views
who knows - 14/01/2010 11:21:43 PM 577 Views
It's not all that convoluted, though ... - 15/01/2010 03:26:01 PM 483 Views
Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end - 15/01/2010 05:57:10 PM 661 Views
Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end - 15/01/2010 06:25:32 PM 543 Views
Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end - 15/01/2010 06:44:26 PM 513 Views
Good point! - 15/01/2010 07:19:00 AM 595 Views
Re: Good point! - 15/01/2010 05:30:12 PM 489 Views
I agree - 16/01/2010 09:50:09 AM 487 Views
what doesn't make sense about this to me - 15/01/2010 06:04:45 PM 559 Views
Re: what doesn't make sense about this to me - 15/01/2010 06:29:59 PM 556 Views
damn double posting - 15/01/2010 07:04:56 PM 498 Views
As it is often the case... - 16/01/2010 09:30:56 AM 593 Views
go re-read my statements and quit putting words in my mouth please. - 16/01/2010 03:59:52 PM 552 Views
Well... - 16/01/2010 04:14:28 PM 441 Views
as I said it's also possible that SH has new abilities - 16/01/2010 04:33:30 PM 486 Views
Re: I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story - 14/01/2010 09:30:53 PM 591 Views
Uhhh? - 14/01/2010 09:13:13 PM 732 Views
One point - 14/01/2010 09:20:09 PM 686 Views
Re: One point - 14/01/2010 09:32:00 PM 603 Views
Elza truly believes that... - 14/01/2010 09:38:35 PM 602 Views
Elza "found a reason to follow the Compulsion" - 14/01/2010 11:23:33 PM 651 Views
So, it came from her, and would not go when the Compulsion was removed. - 15/01/2010 05:56:32 AM 581 Views
fair enough - 16/01/2010 04:34:05 PM 637 Views
Not quite - 14/01/2010 09:38:45 PM 627 Views

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