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I have a hard time... Etzel Send a noteboard - 19/01/2010 02:17:52 PM
To believe that Graendal saw Elza in TAR, apparently Delved her there and then taught her the necessary weaves to get the DM, because she figured that this would ultimately lead to a confrontation, where Rand will balefire Semirhage with the TP to protect Min. At least to me the idea that Graendal could foresee all this seems very far-fetched (similar to the idea that she figured out how Rand would try to kill her and fled before the balefire came).

I also think Graendal's involvement makes then only sense, if she closely worked together with SH, knew everything about Moridin's link to Rand and that Semirhage should be sacrificed. I don't believe, though, that Moridin would give this away, since it's basically a great weakness for him.

And why wouldn't Graendal visit Elza then in the real world and already cure her Compulsion, and avoid losing any time by teaching Elza those weaves, because Graendal could simply get the DM on her own & give it to Elza.

Besides that, BS didn't even said that Elza was taught any AoL weaves, but that Elza "had been given knowledge of several rarely known weaves", and this seems to be related to becoming SH's tool. To me this rather sounds, as if SH was responsible. We have other examples of people, who were obviously changed by the TP, e.g. Alviarin, Fain or Slayer.
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Elza's Compulsion - 14/01/2010 08:41:04 PM 2052 Views
I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story - 14/01/2010 09:12:05 PM 978 Views
I disagree - 14/01/2010 09:27:27 PM 860 Views
except work with Semirhage! - 14/01/2010 09:34:37 PM 779 Views
Well... - 14/01/2010 09:43:40 PM 892 Views
SH can't channel thus can't teach Elza anything *NM* - 14/01/2010 10:20:19 PM 308 Views
Yeah, but according to BS, he apparently could "give her the knowledge". *shrug* *NM* - 15/01/2010 07:16:22 AM 276 Views
that's your interpretation of the quote - 15/01/2010 05:58:30 PM 664 Views
This and the others quotes suggest that only SH and Elza were involved *NM* - 16/01/2010 09:51:24 AM 253 Views
As I said that's certainly one of of interpreting the quotes - 16/01/2010 03:46:55 PM 605 Views
The question is... - 16/01/2010 03:59:24 PM 624 Views
Re: The question is... - 16/01/2010 04:02:55 PM 611 Views
Yeah, as I said elsewhere, would be a nice question for BS, if there was another Forsaken. *NM* - 16/01/2010 04:08:05 PM 677 Views
I bet you anything he'd giva a big fat RAFO to that - 16/01/2010 04:08:58 PM 610 Views
BS spoke quite openly about this scene, though - 16/01/2010 04:16:09 PM 660 Views
always worth a try, but wasn't he asked to be less open recently? - 16/01/2010 04:31:54 PM 609 Views
Shaidar Haran can't channel. - 14/01/2010 09:34:51 PM 990 Views
I know... - 14/01/2010 09:45:15 PM 838 Views
I agree with you, for a related but slightly different reason ... - 14/01/2010 09:58:28 PM 931 Views
That doesn't prove anything... - 14/01/2010 10:07:46 PM 862 Views
It proves enough for me ... - 14/01/2010 10:26:28 PM 771 Views
Re: That doesn't prove anything... - 15/01/2010 11:03:05 AM 579 Views
not really - 15/01/2010 05:29:25 PM 610 Views
I don't understand your theory - 16/01/2010 05:08:03 PM 587 Views
It's very simple - 16/01/2010 06:17:36 PM 579 Views
So in other words - 17/01/2010 06:31:58 PM 705 Views
no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct - 17/01/2010 06:43:41 PM 603 Views
Re: no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct - 18/01/2010 04:48:33 AM 626 Views
I'm talking about implanting knowledge into someone elses head - 18/01/2010 05:37:32 AM 617 Views
Here's Brandon's one answer - 18/01/2010 05:20:20 PM 640 Views
But... - 18/01/2010 05:48:54 PM 608 Views
Exactly my point - 18/01/2010 06:24:25 PM 638 Views
But by this logic... - 18/01/2010 06:50:43 PM 578 Views
Yes... - 18/01/2010 07:00:40 PM 635 Views
While you are right... - 18/01/2010 08:44:19 PM 624 Views
as we've discussed in another thread - 18/01/2010 09:08:56 PM 1018 Views
I mean... - 19/01/2010 02:21:39 PM 619 Views
Weren't they specifically called Weaves that haven't been seen since the AoL? - 19/01/2010 05:26:38 PM 661 Views
"Elza had been given knowledge of several rarely known weaves" is the quote. - 19/01/2010 06:14:22 PM 575 Views
Well if they were secret Ajah weaves someone would have recognized them *NM* - 19/01/2010 06:21:19 PM 275 Views
Maybe secret BA weaves... - 19/01/2010 06:37:42 PM 840 Views
Possible since she was the only BA in the area - 19/01/2010 06:40:38 PM 866 Views
See, I think there's reason for her presence to be kept secret... - 18/01/2010 09:10:43 PM 685 Views
I have a hard time... - 19/01/2010 02:17:52 PM 684 Views
I agree with you - 19/01/2010 04:45:59 PM 621 Views
and you may very well be correct - 19/01/2010 05:39:02 PM 833 Views
Yet Rand/LTT tells us only a few chapters later - 14/01/2010 10:27:57 PM 687 Views
Anything is possible ... - 14/01/2010 10:54:46 PM 698 Views
who knows - 14/01/2010 11:21:43 PM 663 Views
It's not all that convoluted, though ... - 15/01/2010 03:26:01 PM 572 Views
Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end - 15/01/2010 05:57:10 PM 756 Views
Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end - 15/01/2010 06:25:32 PM 640 Views
Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end - 15/01/2010 06:44:26 PM 601 Views
Good point! - 15/01/2010 07:19:00 AM 679 Views
Re: Good point! - 15/01/2010 05:30:12 PM 581 Views
I agree - 16/01/2010 09:50:09 AM 559 Views
what doesn't make sense about this to me - 15/01/2010 06:04:45 PM 645 Views
Re: what doesn't make sense about this to me - 15/01/2010 06:29:59 PM 648 Views
damn double posting - 15/01/2010 07:04:56 PM 583 Views
As it is often the case... - 16/01/2010 09:30:56 AM 676 Views
go re-read my statements and quit putting words in my mouth please. - 16/01/2010 03:59:52 PM 639 Views
Well... - 16/01/2010 04:14:28 PM 534 Views
as I said it's also possible that SH has new abilities - 16/01/2010 04:33:30 PM 571 Views
Re: I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story - 14/01/2010 09:30:53 PM 678 Views
Uhhh? - 14/01/2010 09:13:13 PM 850 Views
One point - 14/01/2010 09:20:09 PM 763 Views
Re: One point - 14/01/2010 09:32:00 PM 692 Views
Elza truly believes that... - 14/01/2010 09:38:35 PM 692 Views
Elza "found a reason to follow the Compulsion" - 14/01/2010 11:23:33 PM 742 Views
So, it came from her, and would not go when the Compulsion was removed. - 15/01/2010 05:56:32 AM 663 Views
fair enough - 16/01/2010 04:34:05 PM 723 Views
Not quite - 14/01/2010 09:38:45 PM 702 Views

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