To believe that Graendal saw Elza in TAR, apparently Delved her there and then taught her the necessary weaves to get the DM, because she figured that this would ultimately lead to a confrontation, where Rand will balefire Semirhage with the TP to protect Min. At least to me the idea that Graendal could foresee all this seems very far-fetched (similar to the idea that she figured out how Rand would try to kill her and fled before the balefire came).
I also think Graendal's involvement makes then only sense, if she closely worked together with SH, knew everything about Moridin's link to Rand and that Semirhage should be sacrificed. I don't believe, though, that Moridin would give this away, since it's basically a great weakness for him.
And why wouldn't Graendal visit Elza then in the real world and already cure her Compulsion, and avoid losing any time by teaching Elza those weaves, because Graendal could simply get the DM on her own & give it to Elza.
Besides that, BS didn't even said that Elza was taught any AoL weaves, but that Elza "had been given knowledge of several rarely known weaves", and this seems to be related to becoming SH's tool. To me this rather sounds, as if SH was responsible. We have other examples of people, who were obviously changed by the TP, e.g. Alviarin, Fain or Slayer.
I also think Graendal's involvement makes then only sense, if she closely worked together with SH, knew everything about Moridin's link to Rand and that Semirhage should be sacrificed. I don't believe, though, that Moridin would give this away, since it's basically a great weakness for him.
And why wouldn't Graendal visit Elza then in the real world and already cure her Compulsion, and avoid losing any time by teaching Elza those weaves, because Graendal could simply get the DM on her own & give it to Elza.
Besides that, BS didn't even said that Elza was taught any AoL weaves, but that Elza "had been given knowledge of several rarely known weaves", and this seems to be related to becoming SH's tool. To me this rather sounds, as if SH was responsible. We have other examples of people, who were obviously changed by the TP, e.g. Alviarin, Fain or Slayer.
Elza's Compulsion
- 14/01/2010 08:41:04 PM
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I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story
- 14/01/2010 09:12:05 PM
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I disagree
- 14/01/2010 09:27:27 PM
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except work with Semirhage!
- 14/01/2010 09:34:37 PM
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Well...
- 14/01/2010 09:43:40 PM
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SH can't channel thus can't teach Elza anything *NM*
- 14/01/2010 10:20:19 PM
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Yeah, but according to BS, he apparently could "give her the knowledge". *shrug* *NM*
- 15/01/2010 07:16:22 AM
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that's your interpretation of the quote
- 15/01/2010 05:58:30 PM
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This and the others quotes suggest that only SH and Elza were involved *NM*
- 16/01/2010 09:51:24 AM
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As I said that's certainly one of of interpreting the quotes
- 16/01/2010 03:46:55 PM
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The question is...
- 16/01/2010 03:59:24 PM
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Re: The question is...
- 16/01/2010 04:02:55 PM
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Yeah, as I said elsewhere, would be a nice question for BS, if there was another Forsaken. *NM*
- 16/01/2010 04:08:05 PM
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I bet you anything he'd giva a big fat RAFO to that
- 16/01/2010 04:08:58 PM
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BS spoke quite openly about this scene, though
- 16/01/2010 04:16:09 PM
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always worth a try, but wasn't he asked to be less open recently?
- 16/01/2010 04:31:54 PM
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I agree with you, for a related but slightly different reason ...
- 14/01/2010 09:58:28 PM
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That doesn't prove anything...
- 14/01/2010 10:07:46 PM
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Re: That doesn't prove anything...
- 15/01/2010 11:03:05 AM
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not really
- 15/01/2010 05:29:25 PM
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I don't understand your theory
- 16/01/2010 05:08:03 PM
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It's very simple
- 16/01/2010 06:17:36 PM
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So in other words
- 17/01/2010 06:31:58 PM
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no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct
- 17/01/2010 06:43:41 PM
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- 17/01/2010 06:43:41 PM
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Re: no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct
- 18/01/2010 04:48:33 AM
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- 18/01/2010 04:48:33 AM
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I'm talking about implanting knowledge into someone elses head
- 18/01/2010 05:37:32 AM
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Here's Brandon's one answer
- 18/01/2010 05:20:20 PM
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But...
- 18/01/2010 05:48:54 PM
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But by this logic...
- 18/01/2010 06:50:43 PM
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Yes...
- 18/01/2010 07:00:40 PM
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While you are right...
- 18/01/2010 08:44:19 PM
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as we've discussed in another thread
- 18/01/2010 09:08:56 PM
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I mean...
- 19/01/2010 02:21:39 PM
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Weren't they specifically called Weaves that haven't been seen since the AoL?
- 19/01/2010 05:26:38 PM
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"Elza had been given knowledge of several rarely known weaves" is the quote.
- 19/01/2010 06:14:22 PM
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Well if they were secret Ajah weaves someone would have recognized them *NM*
- 19/01/2010 06:21:19 PM
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See, I think there's reason for her presence to be kept secret...
- 18/01/2010 09:10:43 PM
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I have a hard time...
- 19/01/2010 02:17:52 PM
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Yet Rand/LTT tells us only a few chapters later
- 14/01/2010 10:27:57 PM
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Anything is possible ...
- 14/01/2010 10:54:46 PM
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who knows
- 14/01/2010 11:21:43 PM
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It's not all that convoluted, though ...
- 15/01/2010 03:26:01 PM
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Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end
- 15/01/2010 05:57:10 PM
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Good point!
- 15/01/2010 07:19:00 AM
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what doesn't make sense about this to me
- 15/01/2010 06:04:45 PM
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Re: what doesn't make sense about this to me
- 15/01/2010 06:29:59 PM
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this makes my head hurt ... or maybe all that red wine I drank last night is doing that
- 15/01/2010 07:04:23 PM
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- 15/01/2010 07:04:23 PM
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As it is often the case...
- 16/01/2010 09:30:56 AM
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go re-read my statements and quit putting words in my mouth please.
- 16/01/2010 03:59:52 PM
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Re: I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story
- 14/01/2010 09:30:53 PM
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Uhhh?
- 14/01/2010 09:13:13 PM
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One point
- 14/01/2010 09:20:09 PM
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Elza truly believes that...
- 14/01/2010 09:38:35 PM
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Elza "found a reason to follow the Compulsion"
- 14/01/2010 11:23:33 PM
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So, it came from her, and would not go when the Compulsion was removed.
- 15/01/2010 05:56:32 AM
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Not quite
- 14/01/2010 09:38:45 PM
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But that could mean that they were to start the LB between Rand and the Great Lord immediately *NM*
- 16/01/2010 01:04:32 PM
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