You know... it feels like the Aes Sedai are pretty superflouous
beetnemesis Send a noteboard - 02/09/2009 09:48:19 PM
By which I mean, the White Tower. They seem largely either immature, self-absorbed, arrogant, or some mixture of the three. And yet... they don't really DO anything in the series.
Note that I'm not talking about the world in general- I'm talking about the space of time that takes place during the series. For the most part, any help that's come from Aes Sedai has almost been incidental, or from independently working sisters.
There's been a HUGE subplot, involving the split of the Tower, and for the most part it hasn't affected the world. No one really cares. Yes, the rival Aes Sedai factions care, and the areas where they gather gigantic armies care, but largely, the world remains unaffected.
Aes Sedai keep popping up, but the ones under the direction of the White Tower don't DO anything. It takes a Wondergirl, or a ta'veren, to get them to act.
Really, the only useful contribution the non-protagonist Aes Sedai have made is mediation, or being part of a link. They might know a lot of special weaves other channelers don't know, but they mostly can't hold a candle to the Forsaken (or even the Black Ajah, who know all of the special "Ajah Weaves"
. Some of them may be more powerful than many Wise Ones or Windfinders, but they still can't hold a candle to the protagonists, or many of the "wilders" they so disdain.
They mostly just get in everyone's way, unless a protagonist manages to tell them what to do (see: Moiraine after she swore her oath to Rand, Verin and Allana with Perrin, any of the AS who trail along after Elayne or Rand)
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Edited in the bold so people would stop talking about the AoL and finding girls with the spark.
Note that I'm not talking about the world in general- I'm talking about the space of time that takes place during the series. For the most part, any help that's come from Aes Sedai has almost been incidental, or from independently working sisters.
There's been a HUGE subplot, involving the split of the Tower, and for the most part it hasn't affected the world. No one really cares. Yes, the rival Aes Sedai factions care, and the areas where they gather gigantic armies care, but largely, the world remains unaffected.
Aes Sedai keep popping up, but the ones under the direction of the White Tower don't DO anything. It takes a Wondergirl, or a ta'veren, to get them to act.
Really, the only useful contribution the non-protagonist Aes Sedai have made is mediation, or being part of a link. They might know a lot of special weaves other channelers don't know, but they mostly can't hold a candle to the Forsaken (or even the Black Ajah, who know all of the special "Ajah Weaves"
. Some of them may be more powerful than many Wise Ones or Windfinders, but they still can't hold a candle to the protagonists, or many of the "wilders" they so disdain.They mostly just get in everyone's way, unless a protagonist manages to tell them what to do (see: Moiraine after she swore her oath to Rand, Verin and Allana with Perrin, any of the AS who trail along after Elayne or Rand)
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Edited in the bold so people would stop talking about the AoL and finding girls with the spark.
I amuse myself.
This message last edited by beetnemesis on 03/09/2009 at 05:45:46 PM
You know... it feels like the Aes Sedai are pretty superflouous
- 02/09/2009 09:48:19 PM
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Y'know, the paralells betwen the Aes Sedai in the White Tower...
- 02/09/2009 10:46:29 PM
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That is the inspiration for the Aes Sedai that RJ used - I can't find the article, though.
- 03/09/2009 02:39:14 PM
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When I was reading this I was thinking of the paralells between the white tower and
- 03/09/2009 02:47:33 AM
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And yet the WT has been THE single greatest force for continuity and civilization.
- 03/09/2009 03:37:14 AM
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Re: And yet the WT has been THE single greatest force for continuity and civilization.
- 03/09/2009 05:46:13 AM
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Really?
- 03/09/2009 05:52:38 AM
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Re: Really?
- 03/09/2009 06:03:13 AM
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So lets add a few more
- 03/09/2009 11:42:48 AM
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most of these are accounted for above
- 03/09/2009 02:18:01 PM
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Just because we don't know all their names, doesn't mean their effectiveness on the Pattern was less
- 03/09/2009 03:19:41 PM
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But who did the work?
- 03/09/2009 05:37:00 PM
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While these are good, none of it is because of the White Tower
- 03/09/2009 05:43:56 PM
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So if Elaida didn't order it, it doesn't count?
- 03/09/2009 07:29:20 PM
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Re: But who did the work?
- 04/09/2009 01:32:19 PM
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Only one point because obviously your mind is made up.
- 05/09/2009 06:13:23 AM
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well, yeah
- 05/09/2009 02:33:51 PM
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In that case, Rand, Mat, Perrin... all of them are superfluous.
- 05/09/2009 03:03:07 PM
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Re: In that case, Rand, Mat, Perrin... all of them are superfluous.
- 05/09/2009 04:57:44 PM
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I don't understand your point
- 03/09/2009 04:25:22 PM
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Re: I don't understand your point
- 03/09/2009 09:09:38 PM
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I was talking about the WT specifically, and only during recent years. It's Gotta be the Shadow,
- 03/09/2009 05:39:11 PM
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So what you are really saying is that if you ignore over 2/3rds of the AS the rest aren't doing much
- 03/09/2009 06:07:23 PM
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I'm talking about the organization as a whole
- 03/09/2009 10:07:37 PM
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You just made our point...
- 04/09/2009 12:49:44 AM
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WT has been THE single greatest force for stagancy and lack of development.
- 09/09/2009 08:58:58 AM
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Like I said earlier the AS are superfluous except the ones who aren't superfluous.
- 09/09/2009 11:55:47 AM
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- 09/09/2009 11:55:47 AM
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To a certain extent
- 03/09/2009 11:33:30 AM
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Actually, I think Verin is a good metaphor here.
- 03/09/2009 07:59:46 PM
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Agrees with Nossy
- 03/09/2009 10:44:06 PM
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