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The closest evidence we have is a Stilled/Burned out woman darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 18/01/2010 09:49:41 PM
... If I were an AoL AS, I would design the Binder to work as you suggested, not as Sidious suggested. Then it could be used on any channeler of any age.

Plus, I can't really think of any reason why RJ would have wanted it to work like Sidious suggested. All it does is limit who could be Bound with it, so it would eliminate old channelers, like the Kin, from being candidates. That's it, really.

But, it seems Egwene's idea now is for AS to continue to swear the 3 oaths when they are first raised, and then unswear the oaths when they are ready to retire, so that they can live out their allotted, unbound lifespans. That assumes, though, that when an AS unswears the oaths, her lifespan reverts back to what it would have been had she never sworn them in the first place.

But that's something else I've wondered about. One possibility I've considered is that, when oath-bound, a channeler ages at (say) 2X the rate she would if not oath-bound, and she can never reversed the effects of that aging.

For example:

Person X non oath-bound lifespan = 600 years.

Person X swears 3 oaths at age 30, when she becomes AS. During those first 30 years, she's aged 30 years out of the 600.

Person X remains oathbound for 200 years (to age 230), during which time she's aged 400 years (2X the normal rate).

Person X retires to the Kin and unswears the oaths. She now has (600-30)-400 = 170 years of life remaining, so she'll die at 400.

If that were the case, then the AS would be crazy to continue to use the oath rod. But, if the 2X aging that person X experienced while oathbound reverses affect (back to 1X) when she unswears, so that she can live out her remaining 370 years, then the AS could continue using the oath rod without undue affect on their lifespans. My guess is, that's how it actually works.


and they seemingly revert back to about they age they were when they would have looked had they never taken the Oaths. I find this a giant hint/clue that you are correct and the only reason we haven't seen it when others remove the Oaths is that it takes some time to kick in (circumvented by Siuan and Leane due to the brutality involved). I suspect the 3 AS Rand Stilled will likely be showing signs of being unbound should we ever see them again.

I also seems to be logical to me that the AoL developers probably would have wanted a system that didn't have a long term affect on someone who was only going to be bound for a 100 years or something ... kind of like a prison sentence. Perhaps a first offense for something minor was along the lines of "you shall be bound for 50 years against crime X" if that 50 years took 100 years off of the persons life it's a much more severe punishment.
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Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod - 18/01/2010 04:50:29 PM 2570 Views
I'm think Mesaana's hand is quicker than the eye - 18/01/2010 05:12:12 PM 1223 Views
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I like that idea ... - 18/01/2010 06:07:09 PM 999 Views
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I'm not sure - 18/01/2010 06:54:51 PM 952 Views
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Now I get it ... seems needlessly complex for the Oath Rod though - 18/01/2010 08:21:35 PM 752 Views
Yes, this is what I was thinking *NM* - 18/01/2010 08:29:20 PM 377 Views
What you suggested is pretty much what I've always thought ... - 18/01/2010 08:39:30 PM 767 Views
yup - 18/01/2010 09:02:04 PM 654 Views
I'm with you, though ... - 18/01/2010 09:27:59 PM 918 Views
The closest evidence we have is a Stilled/Burned out woman - 18/01/2010 09:49:41 PM 756 Views
But if being unbound reverts you to your normal lifespan, then being bound isn't really a punishment *NM* - 18/01/2010 09:52:29 PM 387 Views
Sure it is - 18/01/2010 10:02:09 PM 794 Views
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I doubt we'll ever really know - 18/01/2010 10:26:43 PM 794 Views
Re: I'm not sure - 18/01/2010 07:22:34 PM 821 Views
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Re: interesting - 18/01/2010 08:18:11 PM 798 Views
see above *NM* - 18/01/2010 08:23:28 PM 410 Views
I think it more like aging them faster... - 18/01/2010 08:24:56 PM 852 Views
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Re: I'm not sure - 20/01/2010 12:59:27 PM 806 Views
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The Dark Ones Mark possibly could black the oath rod? *NM* - 20/01/2010 01:28:08 AM 371 Views
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Good point. I sort of misinterpreted what Kieran was suggesting. *NM* - 20/01/2010 07:19:02 PM 370 Views
Re: Good point. I sort of misinterpreted what Kieran was suggesting. - 22/01/2010 01:52:51 AM 892 Views
actually it's different - 22/01/2010 07:32:18 AM 836 Views
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I like this idea. *NM* - 20/01/2010 03:11:51 AM 354 Views
I agree... - 18/01/2010 06:55:33 PM 904 Views
Re: Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod - 18/01/2010 09:43:34 PM 898 Views
I'm thinking the point of the thread is to discuss how to beat the Oath Rod, not Mesaana's disguise - 18/01/2010 09:59:18 PM 722 Views
Right, and also ... - 18/01/2010 10:17:11 PM 742 Views
IMHO... - 19/01/2010 03:41:10 AM 937 Views
Another interesting possibility - 19/01/2010 05:08:42 PM 744 Views
I'd say it was highly unlikely that the Binder/Oath Rod works that way. *NM* - 19/01/2010 06:06:49 PM 319 Views
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Oh, I agree ... - 19/01/2010 06:47:52 PM 609 Views
Re: Oh, I agree ... found a few tidbits ... EDIT - 19/01/2010 06:55:22 PM 759 Views
Heh, I had just dug up that quote myself, before I saw your edit ... - 19/01/2010 07:17:19 PM 774 Views
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To speak no word that is not true - 19/01/2010 10:06:30 PM 795 Views
Could there be a true word, though? - 20/01/2010 03:47:46 PM 1044 Views
In going through some old RJ quotes I found this gem... - 19/01/2010 10:22:03 PM 1062 Views
Good find, I had forgotten about that quote ... - 20/01/2010 02:42:55 PM 799 Views
Yes - 20/01/2010 03:03:53 PM 786 Views
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In the AoL... - 20/01/2010 04:49:24 PM 865 Views
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The "and" means nothing... - 20/01/2010 08:01:27 PM 629 Views
Re: Good find, I had forgotten about that quote ... - 21/01/2010 05:24:18 AM 996 Views
I like it, mainly because it points to Mesaana being bested by Egwene in T'A'R - 21/01/2010 04:26:34 PM 688 Views
Re: Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod - 20/01/2010 04:11:37 AM 780 Views
Re: Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod - 20/01/2010 07:28:39 AM 730 Views
It can't be that easy ... - 20/01/2010 02:51:47 PM 732 Views

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