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Re: there's been a lot of discussion about the BSand quote you are refering too darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 17/01/2010 05:34:58 PM
Elza certainly did the retrieving, but that doesn't explain how she knew where to find the Domination Bands, only Bair of Sorilea could have told her that.


Only Bair or Sorilea knew that they were in that box, yes, and on Sorilea could have seen the weaves. I think Bair is more or less ruled out by the fact that even Elza could have guessed that Cadsuane had the bracelets.

However, the fact that the Male CK was not stolen points to the presence of SH being the mastermind. We know the Domination Band emanates sadness - it's not a stretch to imagine that SH could sense this.

Thanks for the reply though - good to know that the quote had been taken into consideration in this debate (haven't got time just now to read the entire debate so far).


Yeah, it's been discussed quite a bit... hard to say what really happened, the Ward was inverted so Sorilea couldn't actually see Cadsuane unravel it, but the box was hidden and a little banged up so it's hard to say that Elza would have known where to look without being told.

Interesting thought that SH could sense the emanating sadness ... do we actually know that the duplicates emanate sadness or was that only the original that Nynaeve touched?
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A clue that Sorilea is a Dark Friend? darius_sedai - 13/01/2010 04:20:20 AM 2890 Views
Re: A clue that Sorilea is a Dark Friend? BlackAdder - 13/01/2010 04:46:01 AM 1367 Views
Re: A clue that Sorilea is a Dark Friend? darius_sedai - 13/01/2010 04:47:58 AM 1332 Views
I wondered at the phrasing of that passage ... Yondaime - 14/01/2010 03:41:36 AM 1150 Views
Heh, you ironically misspelled "spell" *NM* Gher - 14/01/2010 04:47:55 AM 683 Views
RJ was Aes Sedai to the core! darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 06:33:45 AM 1280 Views
It's funny, but I know very few women (none) IRL who act like AS, but RJ definitely fits their MO RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/01/2010 05:00:00 PM 1147 Views
I don't think I've ever heard a woman actually "sniff" at someone either darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 05:09:07 PM 1156 Views
I was under the impression that SH got the Band DREWRULESWOT! - 14/01/2010 09:10:48 AM 1120 Views
I, too, have suspicions ... Yondaime - 13/01/2010 06:11:12 AM 1296 Views
I agree! darius_sedai - 13/01/2010 07:13:10 AM 1124 Views
I doubt that there is anything in the book .... Yondaime - 14/01/2010 02:58:47 AM 1082 Views
Re: I doubt that there is anything in the book .... darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 06:44:39 AM 976 Views
Wow, you should add a spoiler alert to your thread. amirebram - 13/01/2010 06:36:45 AM 1187 Views
Why couldn't have Elza got them? brett014 - 13/01/2010 06:42:03 AM 1239 Views
Re: Didn't Shadar Haran free Semirage? BlackAdder - 13/01/2010 06:44:56 AM 1268 Views
IMO Bair is also a suspect darius_sedai - 13/01/2010 07:18:15 AM 1100 Views
SH has all kinds of strange powers NaClH2O - 14/01/2010 05:52:06 PM 905 Views
Yeah, SH is a wildcard BlackAdder - 15/01/2010 02:20:52 AM 1062 Views
Re: Why couldn't have Elza got them? amirebram - 13/01/2010 10:12:07 PM 1004 Views
It was brought up a while back in one of the earlier discussion threads BlackAdder - 13/01/2010 06:47:33 AM 1139 Views
The whole forum is full of spoilers *NM* darius_sedai - 13/01/2010 07:11:38 AM 636 Views
Be more careful. Spoilers are freely allowed now. *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 13/01/2010 04:05:27 PM 624 Views
He didn't mean it as a tGS spoiler BlackAdder - 13/01/2010 04:09:17 PM 997 Views
Exactly. I have this thing with theories ... amirebram - 13/01/2010 10:16:02 PM 1058 Views
then how do you read the forums at all? darius_sedai - 13/01/2010 11:20:54 PM 1010 Views
With caution. amirebram - 14/01/2010 07:41:39 PM 1094 Views
I'm kind of the opposite I guess darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 08:50:36 PM 1059 Views
My gut feeling tells that Sorilea isn't a DF Etzel - 13/01/2010 11:24:33 AM 1268 Views
My gut agrees with your gut. *NM* Shishka - 13/01/2010 01:31:08 PM 532 Views
Great guts think alike! *NM* Etzel - 13/01/2010 03:06:29 PM 517 Views
And fool guts, seldom differ! *NM* Insomdeon - 13/01/2010 05:10:41 PM 562 Views
My gut would have gotten me killed in WOT amirebram - 13/01/2010 10:18:15 PM 1029 Views
Haha I love how the DFs are coming from all over the place! *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/01/2010 04:57:19 PM 598 Views
Me neither Sidious - 14/01/2010 08:30:27 PM 943 Views
I don't think so Sidious - 13/01/2010 06:02:40 PM 1096 Views
perhaps, but Semirhage is also in disgrace darius_sedai - 13/01/2010 06:53:04 PM 1020 Views
Actually it was very much like a DF amirebram - 13/01/2010 10:21:46 PM 1204 Views
I don't buy it Sidious - 14/01/2010 08:29:05 PM 938 Views
the thread started by pointing out Verin implies Sorilea may not be on the same side... darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 09:26:51 PM 1058 Views
Moiraine said as much to Egwene long before that Sidious - 15/01/2010 11:07:20 AM 1080 Views
we'll just have to RAFO darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 04:13:17 PM 906 Views
Actually, it's not about who stole it. It's about how Elza knew where it was AND amirebram - 15/01/2010 05:53:08 PM 1053 Views
Not quite, IMO BlackAdder - 13/01/2010 11:53:46 PM 1055 Views
and Verin told us that you could betray the FS if you could justify it darius_sedai - 13/01/2010 11:55:32 PM 1110 Views
Exactly BlackAdder - 13/01/2010 11:58:46 PM 1047 Views
Re: A clue that Sorilea is a Dark Friend? Gerbeaud - 13/01/2010 09:05:19 PM 916 Views
Elza already had the DB when she freed Semirhage from captivity darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 12:24:00 AM 1079 Views
Sorilea never saw the wards unraveled. And I'm pretty sure they were inverted. fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 12:44:58 AM 970 Views
inverted yes, but she was standing right there when Cadsuane unwove them darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 12:47:26 AM 953 Views
As Sorilea closed the door behind the three of them, Cadsuane disarmed the box's traps. fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 03:27:04 AM 1050 Views
Re: As Sorilea closed the door behind the three of them, Cadsuane disarmed the box's traps. darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 06:43:16 AM 1000 Views
Did you see what you wrote? fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 03:12:58 PM 1058 Views
The point was that Sorilea knew two key pieces of information from that moment darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 03:38:27 PM 943 Views
She knew only one, and that was known to Bair too... fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 05:10:58 PM 1010 Views
Re: She knew only one, and that was known to Bair too... darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 05:29:39 PM 1033 Views
How do you know Caddy embraced the source only then? fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 07:35:00 PM 892 Views
so you contend that she was walking around holding the Source the whole time? darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 08:52:10 PM 1161 Views
Very possible. *NM* fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 09:14:21 PM 439 Views
Bair is at least as strong a suspect darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 09:17:27 PM 1022 Views
I don't think Brandon's statement support your theory Sidious - 14/01/2010 08:34:21 PM 843 Views
That's a bit of a leap. darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 08:55:36 PM 742 Views
Re: I don't think Brandon's statement support your theory ajah - 17/01/2010 10:03:13 AM 1248 Views
Re: Elza already had the DB when she freed Semirhage from captivity Gerbeaud - 14/01/2010 02:42:47 AM 1056 Views
I think Bsand or RJ stated that Shaidar Haran could not do that himself, which is why he needed Elza darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 06:47:04 AM 1010 Views
I disagree that Verin would have tried to create suspicion or discord. Gher - 14/01/2010 03:16:32 AM 1074 Views
Yet Verin herself tells us that she did things for the Shadow... darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 06:51:39 AM 988 Views
Sure Gher - 14/01/2010 05:18:56 PM 983 Views
certainly her intentions were to be one of the good guys darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 05:40:26 PM 921 Views
I agree. Gher - 14/01/2010 05:53:58 PM 920 Views
this scene does happen before she is "sure" of Cadsuane darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 06:07:19 PM 876 Views
Alright. Gher - 14/01/2010 06:17:18 PM 1049 Views
This would be a great development. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/01/2010 04:55:29 PM 1018 Views
that's exactly the type of foreshadowing I would expect kcf - 14/01/2010 06:48:25 PM 1039 Views
IMO either she or Bair are a DF darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 06:58:57 PM 1098 Views
this is pure RJ kcf - 14/01/2010 07:07:09 PM 1232 Views
True ... my personal fav is "if she's not BA she's the next thing to it" darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 09:01:05 PM 1023 Views
Have we ever seen two different races of darkfriends working together? Sidious - 14/01/2010 08:46:48 PM 958 Views
yes - Suroth and Liandrin *NM* kcf - 14/01/2010 08:49:16 PM 692 Views
Milli/Shiane, Carridin, Falion and Old Cully were all in cahoots at various points darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 08:58:40 PM 1378 Views
Re: Milli/Shiane, Carridin, Falion and Old Cully were all in cahoots at various points Sidious - 15/01/2010 11:08:13 AM 8177 Views
and then SH shows up out of the goodness of his own heart? darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 04:14:42 PM 922 Views
Re: and then SH shows up out of the goodness of his own heart? Sidious - 16/01/2010 05:09:17 PM 1011 Views
I think they were told via a DF in the group that she had been broken darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 06:11:01 PM 1004 Views
Yes, Kadere and that Aiel chick. DREWRULESWOT! - 15/01/2010 12:15:42 AM 888 Views
Re: A clue that Sorilea is a Dark Friend? ajah - 17/01/2010 10:07:11 AM 1030 Views
I wish it were so, but one of the FAQ's destroys this clue Lord Haart - 17/01/2010 03:01:47 PM 1014 Views
there's been a lot of discussion about the BSand quote you are refering too darius_sedai - 17/01/2010 05:07:04 PM 1056 Views
Re: there's been a lot of discussion about the BSand quote you are refering too Lord Haart - 17/01/2010 05:28:08 PM 1005 Views
Re: there's been a lot of discussion about the BSand quote you are refering too darius_sedai - 17/01/2010 05:34:58 PM 987 Views
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