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fair enough darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 16/01/2010 04:34:05 PM

Reading this quote it's odd that Elza still holds to her "you will face the Great Lord and lose" mentality ... that epiphany was due to the compulsion in the first place so with it gone why still hold to it?

Verin did not implant this idea into Elza's head.


Which only means that she convinced herself that this is why she swore to Rand.
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Elza's Compulsion Sidious - 14/01/2010 08:41:04 PM 1891 Views
I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 09:12:05 PM 822 Views
I disagree Etzel - 14/01/2010 09:27:27 PM 675 Views
except work with Semirhage! darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 09:34:37 PM 606 Views
Well... Etzel - 14/01/2010 09:43:40 PM 681 Views
SH can't channel thus can't teach Elza anything *NM* darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 10:20:19 PM 239 Views
Yeah, but according to BS, he apparently could "give her the knowledge". *shrug* *NM* Etzel - 15/01/2010 07:16:22 AM 215 Views
that's your interpretation of the quote darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 05:58:30 PM 513 Views
This and the others quotes suggest that only SH and Elza were involved *NM* Etzel - 16/01/2010 09:51:24 AM 205 Views
As I said that's certainly one of of interpreting the quotes darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 03:46:55 PM 457 Views
The question is... Etzel - 16/01/2010 03:59:24 PM 473 Views
Re: The question is... darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 04:02:55 PM 453 Views
Yeah, as I said elsewhere, would be a nice question for BS, if there was another Forsaken. *NM* Etzel - 16/01/2010 04:08:05 PM 488 Views
I bet you anything he'd giva a big fat RAFO to that darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 04:08:58 PM 464 Views
BS spoke quite openly about this scene, though Etzel - 16/01/2010 04:16:09 PM 477 Views
always worth a try, but wasn't he asked to be less open recently? darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 04:31:54 PM 463 Views
Shaidar Haran can't channel. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/01/2010 09:34:51 PM 817 Views
I know... Etzel - 14/01/2010 09:45:15 PM 676 Views
I agree with you, for a related but slightly different reason ... Shishka - 14/01/2010 09:58:28 PM 757 Views
That doesn't prove anything... fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 10:07:46 PM 693 Views
It proves enough for me ... Shishka - 14/01/2010 10:26:28 PM 585 Views
Re: That doesn't prove anything... Sidious - 15/01/2010 11:03:05 AM 428 Views
not really darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 05:29:25 PM 476 Views
I don't understand your theory Sidious - 16/01/2010 05:08:03 PM 438 Views
It's very simple darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 06:17:36 PM 427 Views
So in other words Sidious - 17/01/2010 06:31:58 PM 548 Views
no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct darius_sedai - 17/01/2010 06:43:41 PM 448 Views
Re: no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct Sidious - 18/01/2010 04:48:33 AM 473 Views
I'm talking about implanting knowledge into someone elses head darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 05:37:32 AM 458 Views
Here's Brandon's one answer Sidious - 18/01/2010 05:20:20 PM 460 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 18/01/2010 05:48:54 PM 455 Views
Exactly my point darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 06:24:25 PM 497 Views
But by this logic... Etzel - 18/01/2010 06:50:43 PM 458 Views
Yes... fionwe1987 - 18/01/2010 07:00:40 PM 504 Views
While you are right... Etzel - 18/01/2010 08:44:19 PM 474 Views
as we've discussed in another thread darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 09:08:56 PM 851 Views
I mean... Etzel - 19/01/2010 02:21:39 PM 469 Views
Weren't they specifically called Weaves that haven't been seen since the AoL? darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 05:26:38 PM 485 Views
"Elza had been given knowledge of several rarely known weaves" is the quote. Etzel - 19/01/2010 06:14:22 PM 425 Views
Well if they were secret Ajah weaves someone would have recognized them *NM* darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 06:21:19 PM 214 Views
Maybe secret BA weaves... Etzel - 19/01/2010 06:37:42 PM 678 Views
Possible since she was the only BA in the area darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 06:40:38 PM 708 Views
See, I think there's reason for her presence to be kept secret... fionwe1987 - 18/01/2010 09:10:43 PM 508 Views
I have a hard time... Etzel - 19/01/2010 02:17:52 PM 515 Views
I agree with you Sidious - 19/01/2010 04:45:59 PM 445 Views
and you may very well be correct darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 05:39:02 PM 667 Views
Yet Rand/LTT tells us only a few chapters later darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 10:27:57 PM 542 Views
Anything is possible ... Shishka - 14/01/2010 10:54:46 PM 540 Views
who knows darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 11:21:43 PM 511 Views
It's not all that convoluted, though ... Shishka - 15/01/2010 03:26:01 PM 446 Views
Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 05:57:10 PM 600 Views
Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end Shishka - 15/01/2010 06:25:32 PM 471 Views
Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 06:44:26 PM 446 Views
Good point! Etzel - 15/01/2010 07:19:00 AM 526 Views
Re: Good point! Shishka - 15/01/2010 05:30:12 PM 423 Views
I agree Etzel - 16/01/2010 09:50:09 AM 409 Views
what doesn't make sense about this to me darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 06:04:45 PM 493 Views
Re: what doesn't make sense about this to me Shishka - 15/01/2010 06:29:59 PM 488 Views
this makes my head hurt ... or maybe all that red wine I drank last night is doing that darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 07:04:23 PM 468 Views
damn double posting darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 07:04:56 PM 434 Views
As it is often the case... Etzel - 16/01/2010 09:30:56 AM 524 Views
go re-read my statements and quit putting words in my mouth please. darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 03:59:52 PM 483 Views
Well... Etzel - 16/01/2010 04:14:28 PM 384 Views
as I said it's also possible that SH has new abilities darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 04:33:30 PM 423 Views
Re: I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/01/2010 09:30:53 PM 524 Views
Uhhh? fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 09:13:13 PM 671 Views
One point darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 09:20:09 PM 613 Views
Re: One point Oberonus - 14/01/2010 09:32:00 PM 536 Views
Elza truly believes that... fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 09:38:35 PM 542 Views
Elza "found a reason to follow the Compulsion" darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 11:23:33 PM 581 Views
So, it came from her, and would not go when the Compulsion was removed. Cannoli - 15/01/2010 05:56:32 AM 516 Views
fair enough darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 04:34:05 PM 563 Views
Not quite rAndy aL - 14/01/2010 09:38:45 PM 564 Views
But that could mean that they were to start the LB between Rand and the Great Lord immediately *NM* Voscaia Sedai - 16/01/2010 01:04:32 PM 212 Views
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