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Yeah, as I said elsewhere, would be a nice question for BS, if there was another Forsaken. *NM* Etzel Send a noteboard - 16/01/2010 04:08:05 PM
unless you have a more direct quote outright stating that SH implanted knowledge into Elza?


If there is anything in the quotes to support that Graendal was present. All quotes I know just mention SH and Elza.


The evidence points to her (most likely, could have been Cyndane or Mghedien as well) presence along the line.

You are extrapolating a lot from a single comment that Elza had been made into SH's tool... I am extrapolating a lot based on her being taught weaves. We'll have to RAFO or wait for Brandon to say more to know more.
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Elza's Compulsion - 14/01/2010 08:41:04 PM 1894 Views
I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story - 14/01/2010 09:12:05 PM 825 Views
I disagree - 14/01/2010 09:27:27 PM 678 Views
except work with Semirhage! - 14/01/2010 09:34:37 PM 609 Views
Well... - 14/01/2010 09:43:40 PM 684 Views
SH can't channel thus can't teach Elza anything *NM* - 14/01/2010 10:20:19 PM 240 Views
Yeah, but according to BS, he apparently could "give her the knowledge". *shrug* *NM* - 15/01/2010 07:16:22 AM 216 Views
that's your interpretation of the quote - 15/01/2010 05:58:30 PM 516 Views
This and the others quotes suggest that only SH and Elza were involved *NM* - 16/01/2010 09:51:24 AM 206 Views
As I said that's certainly one of of interpreting the quotes - 16/01/2010 03:46:55 PM 460 Views
The question is... - 16/01/2010 03:59:24 PM 476 Views
Re: The question is... - 16/01/2010 04:02:55 PM 457 Views
Yeah, as I said elsewhere, would be a nice question for BS, if there was another Forsaken. *NM* - 16/01/2010 04:08:05 PM 492 Views
I bet you anything he'd giva a big fat RAFO to that - 16/01/2010 04:08:58 PM 467 Views
BS spoke quite openly about this scene, though - 16/01/2010 04:16:09 PM 480 Views
always worth a try, but wasn't he asked to be less open recently? - 16/01/2010 04:31:54 PM 466 Views
Shaidar Haran can't channel. - 14/01/2010 09:34:51 PM 820 Views
I know... - 14/01/2010 09:45:15 PM 679 Views
I agree with you, for a related but slightly different reason ... - 14/01/2010 09:58:28 PM 760 Views
That doesn't prove anything... - 14/01/2010 10:07:46 PM 696 Views
It proves enough for me ... - 14/01/2010 10:26:28 PM 588 Views
Re: That doesn't prove anything... - 15/01/2010 11:03:05 AM 431 Views
not really - 15/01/2010 05:29:25 PM 479 Views
I don't understand your theory - 16/01/2010 05:08:03 PM 441 Views
It's very simple - 16/01/2010 06:17:36 PM 430 Views
So in other words - 17/01/2010 06:31:58 PM 551 Views
no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct - 17/01/2010 06:43:41 PM 452 Views
Re: no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct - 18/01/2010 04:48:33 AM 476 Views
I'm talking about implanting knowledge into someone elses head - 18/01/2010 05:37:32 AM 461 Views
Here's Brandon's one answer - 18/01/2010 05:20:20 PM 463 Views
But... - 18/01/2010 05:48:54 PM 458 Views
Exactly my point - 18/01/2010 06:24:25 PM 500 Views
But by this logic... - 18/01/2010 06:50:43 PM 461 Views
Yes... - 18/01/2010 07:00:40 PM 507 Views
While you are right... - 18/01/2010 08:44:19 PM 477 Views
as we've discussed in another thread - 18/01/2010 09:08:56 PM 854 Views
I mean... - 19/01/2010 02:21:39 PM 472 Views
Weren't they specifically called Weaves that haven't been seen since the AoL? - 19/01/2010 05:26:38 PM 488 Views
"Elza had been given knowledge of several rarely known weaves" is the quote. - 19/01/2010 06:14:22 PM 428 Views
Well if they were secret Ajah weaves someone would have recognized them *NM* - 19/01/2010 06:21:19 PM 215 Views
Maybe secret BA weaves... - 19/01/2010 06:37:42 PM 681 Views
Possible since she was the only BA in the area - 19/01/2010 06:40:38 PM 711 Views
See, I think there's reason for her presence to be kept secret... - 18/01/2010 09:10:43 PM 511 Views
I have a hard time... - 19/01/2010 02:17:52 PM 518 Views
I agree with you - 19/01/2010 04:45:59 PM 448 Views
and you may very well be correct - 19/01/2010 05:39:02 PM 670 Views
Yet Rand/LTT tells us only a few chapters later - 14/01/2010 10:27:57 PM 545 Views
Anything is possible ... - 14/01/2010 10:54:46 PM 543 Views
who knows - 14/01/2010 11:21:43 PM 514 Views
It's not all that convoluted, though ... - 15/01/2010 03:26:01 PM 449 Views
Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end - 15/01/2010 05:57:10 PM 603 Views
Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end - 15/01/2010 06:25:32 PM 474 Views
Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end - 15/01/2010 06:44:26 PM 449 Views
Good point! - 15/01/2010 07:19:00 AM 529 Views
Re: Good point! - 15/01/2010 05:30:12 PM 427 Views
I agree - 16/01/2010 09:50:09 AM 412 Views
what doesn't make sense about this to me - 15/01/2010 06:04:45 PM 496 Views
Re: what doesn't make sense about this to me - 15/01/2010 06:29:59 PM 493 Views
damn double posting - 15/01/2010 07:04:56 PM 437 Views
As it is often the case... - 16/01/2010 09:30:56 AM 527 Views
go re-read my statements and quit putting words in my mouth please. - 16/01/2010 03:59:52 PM 486 Views
Well... - 16/01/2010 04:14:28 PM 387 Views
as I said it's also possible that SH has new abilities - 16/01/2010 04:33:30 PM 426 Views
Re: I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story - 14/01/2010 09:30:53 PM 527 Views
Uhhh? - 14/01/2010 09:13:13 PM 674 Views
One point - 14/01/2010 09:20:09 PM 616 Views
Re: One point - 14/01/2010 09:32:00 PM 539 Views
Elza truly believes that... - 14/01/2010 09:38:35 PM 545 Views
Elza "found a reason to follow the Compulsion" - 14/01/2010 11:23:33 PM 584 Views
So, it came from her, and would not go when the Compulsion was removed. - 15/01/2010 05:56:32 AM 520 Views
fair enough - 16/01/2010 04:34:05 PM 567 Views
Not quite - 14/01/2010 09:38:45 PM 567 Views

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