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Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end Shishka Send a noteboard - 15/01/2010 06:25:32 PM
I think it's likely someone was involved in teaching a few weaves at the instruction of SH or Moridin, but the more I think about it the more I think that person was probably never even present in the manor.


That scenario is much more plausible, I think, than the one that places Graendal (or any other FS) in the manor with SH.

In fact, if it weren't for BS's Q&A comments on the matter, I'd think this was the most likely scenario. It's just that, BS's comments seem to imply that it was SH who gave her the knowledge of the weaves. So, if I were a betting man, I'd put my money on SH (even though it does give him some new funky mind powers). But I wouldn't bet a lot, because I'm far from certain.

I think that person was most likely Graendal only because of the Compulsion element and her proximity, and her instructions from Moridin were in-line with this situation. IMO Graendal probably discovered Elza's Compulsion when teaching her, told SH about it and moved on to other projects.


The only way Graendal would have known that teaching Elza was in line with her instructions (and therefore that we, the readers, should associate her involvement as such) is if she'd been told what was going to happen after Elza learned the weaves. But, I highly doubt she'd have been told that information - there would be no reason to tell her, and the Shadow is not known for its willingness to share information with those minions who are not in a need-to-know position.

Still, if there was a teacher, Granedal, Cyndane, and Moggy are the most likely candidates. And (presumably) you're right about Graendal being closest in proximity, of the 3.
Rise and fall, turn the Wheel,
'cause all life is
is really just a circle.

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Elza's Compulsion - 14/01/2010 08:41:04 PM 1929 Views
I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story - 14/01/2010 09:12:05 PM 877 Views
I disagree - 14/01/2010 09:27:27 PM 719 Views
except work with Semirhage! - 14/01/2010 09:34:37 PM 658 Views
Well... - 14/01/2010 09:43:40 PM 726 Views
SH can't channel thus can't teach Elza anything *NM* - 14/01/2010 10:20:19 PM 258 Views
Yeah, but according to BS, he apparently could "give her the knowledge". *shrug* *NM* - 15/01/2010 07:16:22 AM 234 Views
that's your interpretation of the quote - 15/01/2010 05:58:30 PM 565 Views
This and the others quotes suggest that only SH and Elza were involved *NM* - 16/01/2010 09:51:24 AM 211 Views
As I said that's certainly one of of interpreting the quotes - 16/01/2010 03:46:55 PM 498 Views
The question is... - 16/01/2010 03:59:24 PM 518 Views
Re: The question is... - 16/01/2010 04:02:55 PM 508 Views
Yeah, as I said elsewhere, would be a nice question for BS, if there was another Forsaken. *NM* - 16/01/2010 04:08:05 PM 545 Views
I bet you anything he'd giva a big fat RAFO to that - 16/01/2010 04:08:58 PM 510 Views
BS spoke quite openly about this scene, though - 16/01/2010 04:16:09 PM 532 Views
always worth a try, but wasn't he asked to be less open recently? - 16/01/2010 04:31:54 PM 508 Views
Shaidar Haran can't channel. - 14/01/2010 09:34:51 PM 863 Views
I know... - 14/01/2010 09:45:15 PM 723 Views
I agree with you, for a related but slightly different reason ... - 14/01/2010 09:58:28 PM 804 Views
That doesn't prove anything... - 14/01/2010 10:07:46 PM 741 Views
It proves enough for me ... - 14/01/2010 10:26:28 PM 630 Views
Re: That doesn't prove anything... - 15/01/2010 11:03:05 AM 477 Views
not really - 15/01/2010 05:29:25 PM 496 Views
I don't understand your theory - 16/01/2010 05:08:03 PM 485 Views
It's very simple - 16/01/2010 06:17:36 PM 473 Views
So in other words - 17/01/2010 06:31:58 PM 595 Views
no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct - 17/01/2010 06:43:41 PM 495 Views
Re: no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct - 18/01/2010 04:48:33 AM 518 Views
I'm talking about implanting knowledge into someone elses head - 18/01/2010 05:37:32 AM 524 Views
Here's Brandon's one answer - 18/01/2010 05:20:20 PM 513 Views
But... - 18/01/2010 05:48:54 PM 501 Views
Exactly my point - 18/01/2010 06:24:25 PM 541 Views
But by this logic... - 18/01/2010 06:50:43 PM 478 Views
Yes... - 18/01/2010 07:00:40 PM 537 Views
While you are right... - 18/01/2010 08:44:19 PM 525 Views
as we've discussed in another thread - 18/01/2010 09:08:56 PM 902 Views
I mean... - 19/01/2010 02:21:39 PM 520 Views
Weren't they specifically called Weaves that haven't been seen since the AoL? - 19/01/2010 05:26:38 PM 534 Views
"Elza had been given knowledge of several rarely known weaves" is the quote. - 19/01/2010 06:14:22 PM 472 Views
Well if they were secret Ajah weaves someone would have recognized them *NM* - 19/01/2010 06:21:19 PM 234 Views
Maybe secret BA weaves... - 19/01/2010 06:37:42 PM 722 Views
Possible since she was the only BA in the area - 19/01/2010 06:40:38 PM 760 Views
See, I think there's reason for her presence to be kept secret... - 18/01/2010 09:10:43 PM 557 Views
I have a hard time... - 19/01/2010 02:17:52 PM 567 Views
I agree with you - 19/01/2010 04:45:59 PM 493 Views
and you may very well be correct - 19/01/2010 05:39:02 PM 716 Views
Yet Rand/LTT tells us only a few chapters later - 14/01/2010 10:27:57 PM 584 Views
Anything is possible ... - 14/01/2010 10:54:46 PM 590 Views
who knows - 14/01/2010 11:21:43 PM 560 Views
It's not all that convoluted, though ... - 15/01/2010 03:26:01 PM 467 Views
Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end - 15/01/2010 05:57:10 PM 645 Views
Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end - 15/01/2010 06:25:32 PM 528 Views
Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end - 15/01/2010 06:44:26 PM 498 Views
Good point! - 15/01/2010 07:19:00 AM 583 Views
Re: Good point! - 15/01/2010 05:30:12 PM 474 Views
I agree - 16/01/2010 09:50:09 AM 458 Views
what doesn't make sense about this to me - 15/01/2010 06:04:45 PM 544 Views
Re: what doesn't make sense about this to me - 15/01/2010 06:29:59 PM 537 Views
damn double posting - 15/01/2010 07:04:56 PM 485 Views
As it is often the case... - 16/01/2010 09:30:56 AM 570 Views
go re-read my statements and quit putting words in my mouth please. - 16/01/2010 03:59:52 PM 533 Views
Well... - 16/01/2010 04:14:28 PM 428 Views
as I said it's also possible that SH has new abilities - 16/01/2010 04:33:30 PM 466 Views
Re: I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story - 14/01/2010 09:30:53 PM 575 Views
Uhhh? - 14/01/2010 09:13:13 PM 719 Views
One point - 14/01/2010 09:20:09 PM 671 Views
Re: One point - 14/01/2010 09:32:00 PM 588 Views
Elza truly believes that... - 14/01/2010 09:38:35 PM 586 Views
Elza "found a reason to follow the Compulsion" - 14/01/2010 11:23:33 PM 631 Views
So, it came from her, and would not go when the Compulsion was removed. - 15/01/2010 05:56:32 AM 564 Views
fair enough - 16/01/2010 04:34:05 PM 619 Views
Not quite - 14/01/2010 09:38:45 PM 609 Views

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