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I agree. Gher Send a noteboard - 14/01/2010 05:53:58 PM
But most likely not when she was involved with Rand. She may have reported on her escapades with Rand in TGH to her superiors, but I don't think she ever sabotaged Rand. I don't doubt that she sowed discord among his 'followers' who were scheming like crazy behind his back, but her plan was to help the Dragon Reborn, and at that point she'd decided that Cadsuane could be trusted. (I can't quite remember, but IIRC the scene mentioned in the original post is after Verin decides not to poison her isn't it?)

And in the years leading up to Rand's birth and Moiraine's discovery of him, Verin probably killed, tortured, kidnapped and jaywalked with the best of them. But then she was there to help Rand.


But she certainly implies that she had to juggle the BA leadership's orders where she could... like giving Egwene notes on the 13 that left and the items they took. She slipped in what extra information she could without betraying her oaths, and gave the the Stone Ring ter'angreal without their knowing etc... but that's just typical AS slipperiness.

But it's also clear that she believes that she had done many things that she could not be forgiven for ... I wonder if we'll learn more about her actions...


But I think she did the vast majority of her evil deeds before Rand showed up. She may even have built up a reputation as someone who killed at the drop of a hat, so she could live off that when the Last Battle came.

Whatever the story, I find it highly unlikely that she ever tried to create suspicion among Rands true followers. So she wouldn't sic Cadsuane on Sorilea unless Verin herself thought Sorilea was a DF.
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A clue that Sorilea is a Dark Friend? darius_sedai - 13/01/2010 04:20:20 AM 2887 Views
Re: A clue that Sorilea is a Dark Friend? BlackAdder - 13/01/2010 04:46:01 AM 1362 Views
Re: A clue that Sorilea is a Dark Friend? darius_sedai - 13/01/2010 04:47:58 AM 1327 Views
I wondered at the phrasing of that passage ... Yondaime - 14/01/2010 03:41:36 AM 1145 Views
Heh, you ironically misspelled "spell" *NM* Gher - 14/01/2010 04:47:55 AM 682 Views
RJ was Aes Sedai to the core! darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 06:33:45 AM 1275 Views
It's funny, but I know very few women (none) IRL who act like AS, but RJ definitely fits their MO RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/01/2010 05:00:00 PM 1139 Views
I don't think I've ever heard a woman actually "sniff" at someone either darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 05:09:07 PM 1150 Views
I was under the impression that SH got the Band DREWRULESWOT! - 14/01/2010 09:10:48 AM 1111 Views
I, too, have suspicions ... Yondaime - 13/01/2010 06:11:12 AM 1291 Views
I agree! darius_sedai - 13/01/2010 07:13:10 AM 1118 Views
I doubt that there is anything in the book .... Yondaime - 14/01/2010 02:58:47 AM 1075 Views
Re: I doubt that there is anything in the book .... darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 06:44:39 AM 971 Views
Wow, you should add a spoiler alert to your thread. amirebram - 13/01/2010 06:36:45 AM 1181 Views
Why couldn't have Elza got them? brett014 - 13/01/2010 06:42:03 AM 1230 Views
Re: Didn't Shadar Haran free Semirage? BlackAdder - 13/01/2010 06:44:56 AM 1263 Views
IMO Bair is also a suspect darius_sedai - 13/01/2010 07:18:15 AM 1094 Views
SH has all kinds of strange powers NaClH2O - 14/01/2010 05:52:06 PM 901 Views
Yeah, SH is a wildcard BlackAdder - 15/01/2010 02:20:52 AM 1057 Views
Re: Why couldn't have Elza got them? amirebram - 13/01/2010 10:12:07 PM 1000 Views
It was brought up a while back in one of the earlier discussion threads BlackAdder - 13/01/2010 06:47:33 AM 1134 Views
The whole forum is full of spoilers *NM* darius_sedai - 13/01/2010 07:11:38 AM 635 Views
Be more careful. Spoilers are freely allowed now. *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 13/01/2010 04:05:27 PM 622 Views
He didn't mean it as a tGS spoiler BlackAdder - 13/01/2010 04:09:17 PM 992 Views
Exactly. I have this thing with theories ... amirebram - 13/01/2010 10:16:02 PM 1052 Views
then how do you read the forums at all? darius_sedai - 13/01/2010 11:20:54 PM 1007 Views
With caution. amirebram - 14/01/2010 07:41:39 PM 1087 Views
I'm kind of the opposite I guess darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 08:50:36 PM 1056 Views
My gut feeling tells that Sorilea isn't a DF Etzel - 13/01/2010 11:24:33 AM 1264 Views
My gut agrees with your gut. *NM* Shishka - 13/01/2010 01:31:08 PM 531 Views
Great guts think alike! *NM* Etzel - 13/01/2010 03:06:29 PM 516 Views
And fool guts, seldom differ! *NM* Insomdeon - 13/01/2010 05:10:41 PM 560 Views
My gut would have gotten me killed in WOT amirebram - 13/01/2010 10:18:15 PM 1023 Views
Haha I love how the DFs are coming from all over the place! *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/01/2010 04:57:19 PM 597 Views
Me neither Sidious - 14/01/2010 08:30:27 PM 939 Views
I don't think so Sidious - 13/01/2010 06:02:40 PM 1089 Views
perhaps, but Semirhage is also in disgrace darius_sedai - 13/01/2010 06:53:04 PM 1017 Views
Actually it was very much like a DF amirebram - 13/01/2010 10:21:46 PM 1200 Views
I don't buy it Sidious - 14/01/2010 08:29:05 PM 934 Views
the thread started by pointing out Verin implies Sorilea may not be on the same side... darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 09:26:51 PM 1054 Views
Moiraine said as much to Egwene long before that Sidious - 15/01/2010 11:07:20 AM 1076 Views
we'll just have to RAFO darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 04:13:17 PM 903 Views
Actually, it's not about who stole it. It's about how Elza knew where it was AND amirebram - 15/01/2010 05:53:08 PM 1049 Views
Not quite, IMO BlackAdder - 13/01/2010 11:53:46 PM 1049 Views
and Verin told us that you could betray the FS if you could justify it darius_sedai - 13/01/2010 11:55:32 PM 1104 Views
Exactly BlackAdder - 13/01/2010 11:58:46 PM 1040 Views
Re: A clue that Sorilea is a Dark Friend? Gerbeaud - 13/01/2010 09:05:19 PM 910 Views
Elza already had the DB when she freed Semirhage from captivity darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 12:24:00 AM 1075 Views
Sorilea never saw the wards unraveled. And I'm pretty sure they were inverted. fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 12:44:58 AM 966 Views
inverted yes, but she was standing right there when Cadsuane unwove them darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 12:47:26 AM 950 Views
As Sorilea closed the door behind the three of them, Cadsuane disarmed the box's traps. fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 03:27:04 AM 1043 Views
Re: As Sorilea closed the door behind the three of them, Cadsuane disarmed the box's traps. darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 06:43:16 AM 992 Views
Did you see what you wrote? fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 03:12:58 PM 1052 Views
The point was that Sorilea knew two key pieces of information from that moment darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 03:38:27 PM 939 Views
She knew only one, and that was known to Bair too... fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 05:10:58 PM 1007 Views
Re: She knew only one, and that was known to Bair too... darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 05:29:39 PM 1027 Views
How do you know Caddy embraced the source only then? fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 07:35:00 PM 886 Views
so you contend that she was walking around holding the Source the whole time? darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 08:52:10 PM 1156 Views
Very possible. *NM* fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 09:14:21 PM 437 Views
Bair is at least as strong a suspect darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 09:17:27 PM 1018 Views
I don't think Brandon's statement support your theory Sidious - 14/01/2010 08:34:21 PM 840 Views
That's a bit of a leap. darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 08:55:36 PM 738 Views
Re: I don't think Brandon's statement support your theory ajah - 17/01/2010 10:03:13 AM 1243 Views
Re: Elza already had the DB when she freed Semirhage from captivity Gerbeaud - 14/01/2010 02:42:47 AM 1050 Views
I think Bsand or RJ stated that Shaidar Haran could not do that himself, which is why he needed Elza darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 06:47:04 AM 1006 Views
I disagree that Verin would have tried to create suspicion or discord. Gher - 14/01/2010 03:16:32 AM 1070 Views
Yet Verin herself tells us that she did things for the Shadow... darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 06:51:39 AM 982 Views
Sure Gher - 14/01/2010 05:18:56 PM 978 Views
certainly her intentions were to be one of the good guys darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 05:40:26 PM 916 Views
I agree. Gher - 14/01/2010 05:53:58 PM 914 Views
this scene does happen before she is "sure" of Cadsuane darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 06:07:19 PM 871 Views
Alright. Gher - 14/01/2010 06:17:18 PM 1041 Views
This would be a great development. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/01/2010 04:55:29 PM 1014 Views
that's exactly the type of foreshadowing I would expect kcf - 14/01/2010 06:48:25 PM 1034 Views
IMO either she or Bair are a DF darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 06:58:57 PM 1092 Views
this is pure RJ kcf - 14/01/2010 07:07:09 PM 1226 Views
True ... my personal fav is "if she's not BA she's the next thing to it" darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 09:01:05 PM 1018 Views
Have we ever seen two different races of darkfriends working together? Sidious - 14/01/2010 08:46:48 PM 954 Views
yes - Suroth and Liandrin *NM* kcf - 14/01/2010 08:49:16 PM 691 Views
Milli/Shiane, Carridin, Falion and Old Cully were all in cahoots at various points darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 08:58:40 PM 1374 Views
Re: Milli/Shiane, Carridin, Falion and Old Cully were all in cahoots at various points Sidious - 15/01/2010 11:08:13 AM 8173 Views
and then SH shows up out of the goodness of his own heart? darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 04:14:42 PM 916 Views
Re: and then SH shows up out of the goodness of his own heart? Sidious - 16/01/2010 05:09:17 PM 1005 Views
I think they were told via a DF in the group that she had been broken darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 06:11:01 PM 999 Views
Yes, Kadere and that Aiel chick. DREWRULESWOT! - 15/01/2010 12:15:42 AM 885 Views
Re: A clue that Sorilea is a Dark Friend? ajah - 17/01/2010 10:07:11 AM 1023 Views
I wish it were so, but one of the FAQ's destroys this clue Lord Haart - 17/01/2010 03:01:47 PM 1010 Views
there's been a lot of discussion about the BSand quote you are refering too darius_sedai - 17/01/2010 05:07:04 PM 1050 Views
Re: there's been a lot of discussion about the BSand quote you are refering too Lord Haart - 17/01/2010 05:28:08 PM 1000 Views
Re: there's been a lot of discussion about the BSand quote you are refering too darius_sedai - 17/01/2010 05:34:58 PM 981 Views
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