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I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 07/01/2010 12:52:25 AM
no his actions are a ridiculous atrocity and his rationale is that those bodies were merely husks. The bigger issue isn't 100% what he did to all those people, but what he almost did to the Pattern! He could have destroyed the world in his effort to kill off one woman...


So you think a person with absolutely no free will, a puppet who mindlessly obeys Graendal is alive. Let me ask you a question. If you had a choice between that kind of existence and death, what would you choose.

Maybe you would rather exist than die, even as a mindless zombie and thats why you think it was wrong. I however would rather die than suffer like that. If WoT world were real, and I would be one of those in the palace, I would thank Rand if I could. Read my comparison to the paralysed blind mute person in one of the messages above to understand this better.

As for balefire.

If what you say is true, then I agree with you. If Rand came close to unraveling the pattern, just to kill Graendal, then indeed you are right and it would have been a insanely stupid thing to do.

But I argue that thats not what happened. I argue that LTT, having been there when balefire was developed and used knows how much to use. I argue that LTT/Rand knows far better how much the pattern can take than anyone else. I argue that despite whatever subjective reaction Min may have had, Rand did NOT significantly damage the pattern. Read some of the earlier posts for my attempts to examine this particular issue, I will not bother repeating it for you.


Is in any way qualified to be the judge/jury/executioner of these poor souls. He took away any possible chance they may have had of ever being freed of her! Nynaeve thinks about this after he tricked her into unraveling Kerbs compulsion... it would be like a Judge deciding that a person must be pulled off life support without having a Dr. examine them first... simply because others who had the same injury could not be cured.

I find that repugnant!

Your argument is around what people who are currently incapable of choosing would choose... I say they would choose to be cured, or at least have the effort made to be cured before they were summarily executed for being mind controlled.

As for LTT and Balefire ... what makes you think LTT was in control at that point? Every other scene with BF and LTT we've had LTT talks about the dangers, even the Forsaken pretty much refuse to use it!
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
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Rand the psycho? - 06/01/2010 02:53:30 AM 1514 Views
I cannot follow your assumptions. - 06/01/2010 04:07:33 AM 917 Views
On Balefire - 06/01/2010 04:43:18 AM 919 Views
Good point - 06/01/2010 05:04:26 AM 940 Views
On the nature of BaleFire - 06/01/2010 03:32:25 PM 846 Views
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Wait! - 06/01/2010 05:10:33 AM 881 Views
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Re: Wait! - 06/01/2010 05:58:00 AM 757 Views
Re: Wait! - 06/01/2010 11:46:13 AM 694 Views
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I disagree - 06/01/2010 05:42:44 PM 697 Views
Re: I disagree - 06/01/2010 06:41:08 PM 696 Views
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I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 06/01/2010 07:30:56 AM 832 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 06/01/2010 03:32:24 PM 752 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 06/01/2010 09:52:47 PM 790 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 06/01/2010 11:19:56 PM 676 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 07/01/2010 12:21:50 AM 758 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 07/01/2010 12:56:26 AM 710 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 07/01/2010 01:46:16 AM 696 Views
I agree with Templar - 09/01/2010 04:36:20 PM 701 Views
Re: I cannot follow your assumptions. - 06/01/2010 07:57:54 AM 794 Views
Rand crossed a line - 06/01/2010 02:36:42 PM 827 Views
Re: Rand crossed a line - 06/01/2010 04:16:12 PM 736 Views
But... - 06/01/2010 04:34:02 PM 846 Views
Re: But... - 06/01/2010 06:14:25 PM 666 Views
Doesn't Balefire remove your thread from the Pattern permanently? - 06/01/2010 02:55:38 PM 700 Views
No, RJ stated balefired people can be reborn. *NM* - 06/01/2010 03:26:00 PM 380 Views
But not in this turning of the Wheel. So they'd miss out on MANY lifetimes. - 06/01/2010 05:46:04 PM 730 Views
What? - 06/01/2010 06:20:56 PM 730 Views
Where did you get that? - 06/01/2010 07:09:38 PM 698 Views
No, balefire just kills you backwards in time. It is not super-death. *NM* - 06/01/2010 09:58:18 PM 414 Views
LOL ... super-death! - 06/01/2010 11:59:31 PM 681 Views
Hah! *NM* - 07/01/2010 12:06:07 AM 333 Views
It makes me think of History of the World Part 1 - 07/01/2010 12:53:20 AM 677 Views
It makes me think of History of the World Part 1 - 07/01/2010 12:53:33 AM 655 Views
Yes it was. - 06/01/2010 06:51:15 PM 821 Views
Re: Yes it was. - 06/01/2010 07:16:14 PM 718 Views
Re: Yes it was. - 06/01/2010 08:58:40 PM 721 Views
Re: Yes it was. - 06/01/2010 10:47:11 PM 742 Views
let me ask the question in a different way - 06/01/2010 11:26:43 PM 733 Views
Re: let me ask the question in a different way - 06/01/2010 11:40:56 PM 724 Views
actually that quote supports my thoughts - 06/01/2010 11:50:40 PM 753 Views
Re: actually that quote supports my thoughts - 07/01/2010 12:10:07 AM 699 Views
Meh. I just think advocating mass-murder is the opposite direction RJ meant for this to take. - 07/01/2010 12:00:44 AM 766 Views
Sigh. What mass murder? - 07/01/2010 12:15:01 AM 642 Views
you are kidding right? - 07/01/2010 12:19:58 AM 730 Views
In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 03:14:32 PM 721 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 03:57:43 PM 730 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 07:13:21 PM 742 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 07:52:24 PM 684 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 08:56:43 PM 751 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 09:26:01 PM 689 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 09:30:45 PM 633 Views
Personally I'm kind of sick of Rand being the only person killing FS! - 07/01/2010 09:42:57 PM 807 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 09:56:02 PM 736 Views
OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol: - 07/01/2010 10:30:19 PM 706 Views
Re: OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol: - 08/01/2010 01:53:25 PM 665 Views
Re: OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol: - 08/01/2010 02:56:41 PM 726 Views
What might work... - 08/01/2010 12:35:17 PM 663 Views
Re: What might work... - 08/01/2010 11:38:09 PM 667 Views
Yes. Anakin Skywalker all over again - 06/01/2010 11:01:02 PM 821 Views
Meh - 06/01/2010 11:30:24 PM 660 Views
The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 06/01/2010 11:33:32 PM 675 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 06/01/2010 11:50:37 PM 746 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 06/01/2010 11:55:03 PM 681 Views
I do have to guiltily say, though, that if Rand had balefired the Seanchan and THEN became good... - 07/01/2010 12:03:20 AM 724 Views
*laughs behind hand* - 07/01/2010 12:05:54 AM 796 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 07/01/2010 12:23:11 AM 665 Views
I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing - 07/01/2010 12:52:25 AM 666 Views
Re: I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing - 07/01/2010 01:24:32 AM 739 Views
Re: I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing - 07/01/2010 03:33:52 PM 674 Views
Re: I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing - 07/01/2010 04:28:18 PM 817 Views
right cause all Generals are so well versed in medical conditions - 07/01/2010 09:44:09 PM 775 Views
Nice way to avoid the argument. - 07/01/2010 10:00:17 PM 733 Views
I'm just done talking in circles. You seem to think that because people - 07/01/2010 11:53:05 PM 763 Views
I concede - 07/01/2010 01:09:11 AM 657 Views
You weren't wrong overall, but there were some serious flaws in your reasoning. - 07/01/2010 02:43:17 AM 761 Views
Tee hee. - 07/01/2010 05:28:52 AM 708 Views
Morals are subjective anyhow, - 07/01/2010 06:23:09 AM 744 Views
Re: Morals are subjective anyhow, - 07/01/2010 03:23:59 PM 670 Views
I have religious beliefs and that is an absurd contention - 09/01/2010 12:00:02 AM 744 Views
Re: I have religious beliefs and that is an absurd contention - 09/01/2010 05:56:16 PM 909 Views
Re: I have religious beliefs and that is an absurd contention - 18/01/2010 01:00:23 PM 1005 Views
Your assertions weaken your overall argument. - 11/01/2010 04:47:10 PM 641 Views
Re: Your assertions weaken your overall argument. - 18/01/2010 12:49:26 PM 689 Views

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