Datakim is trying to justify his actions, but Rand is cold and uncaring (much like a forsaken). Everyone who described him mention a darkness (actual dimming of light) that surrounds him. That is the concern.
Not all his actions, just this one. I am not focusing on Rand as a whole in this book. There is no question that he went completely insane. That is obvious. I am talking only of Graendals palace and whether he killed innocent people, or only released mindless drones from their suffering. And the balefire debate which seems to have taken a separate life, about whether Rand could have used balefire in a way that minimized the damage to the pattern by altering the width of the stream without increasing the power of it.
Threatening to kill the borderlanders, attacking his father, preparing to destroy Ebou Dar (and the civilians there) and threatening to destroy pattern are all acts of utter insanity and evil.
And I think the darkness was caused by the fact that Rand channeled the True Power. The very essence of the Dark One. I think without touching the TP, he could have become equally evil but lacked the darkness. TP caused that.
Rand the psycho?
06/01/2010 02:53:30 AM
- 1586 Views
I cannot follow your assumptions.
06/01/2010 04:07:33 AM
- 986 Views
Re: I cannot follow your assumptions.
06/01/2010 04:59:12 AM
- 825 Views
Wait!
06/01/2010 05:10:33 AM
- 943 Views
Re: Wait!
06/01/2010 05:20:02 AM
- 855 Views
Re: Wait!
06/01/2010 05:58:00 AM
- 824 Views
Re: Wait!
06/01/2010 11:46:13 AM
- 778 Views
I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire.
06/01/2010 07:30:56 AM
- 900 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire.
06/01/2010 03:32:24 PM
- 809 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire.
06/01/2010 09:52:47 PM
- 869 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire.
06/01/2010 11:19:56 PM
- 748 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire.
07/01/2010 12:21:50 AM
- 845 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire.
07/01/2010 12:56:26 AM
- 782 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire.
07/01/2010 01:46:16 AM
- 778 Views
Of course, I agree with you, esp since I just put forth the idea you support earlier in the thread.
11/01/2010 04:58:26 PM
- 1257 Views
Rand crossed a line
06/01/2010 02:36:42 PM
- 892 Views
Doesn't Balefire remove your thread from the Pattern permanently?
06/01/2010 02:55:38 PM
- 770 Views
No, RJ stated balefired people can be reborn. *NM*
06/01/2010 03:26:00 PM
- 406 Views
But not in this turning of the Wheel. So they'd miss out on MANY lifetimes.
06/01/2010 05:46:04 PM
- 795 Views
No, balefire just kills you backwards in time. It is not super-death. *NM*
06/01/2010 09:58:18 PM
- 443 Views
LOL ... super-death!
06/01/2010 11:59:31 PM
- 743 Views
Yes it was.
06/01/2010 06:51:15 PM
- 862 Views
Re: Yes it was.
06/01/2010 07:16:14 PM
- 781 Views
Re: Yes it was.
06/01/2010 08:58:40 PM
- 821 Views
Re: Yes it was.
06/01/2010 10:47:11 PM
- 813 Views
let me ask the question in a different way
06/01/2010 11:26:43 PM
- 798 Views
Re: let me ask the question in a different way
06/01/2010 11:40:56 PM
- 796 Views
actually that quote supports my thoughts
06/01/2010 11:50:40 PM
- 818 Views
Re: actually that quote supports my thoughts
07/01/2010 12:10:07 AM
- 774 Views
yet it could take him some undetermined amount of time to figure out your dead?
07/01/2010 12:34:34 AM
- 755 Views
Re: yet it could take him some undetermined amount of time to figure out your dead?
07/01/2010 01:13:40 AM
- 731 Views
Meh. I just think advocating mass-murder is the opposite direction RJ meant for this to take.
07/01/2010 12:00:44 AM
- 826 Views
Sigh. What mass murder?
07/01/2010 12:15:01 AM
- 715 Views
In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully.
07/01/2010 03:14:32 PM
- 787 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully.
07/01/2010 03:57:43 PM
- 796 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully.
07/01/2010 07:13:21 PM
- 811 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully.
07/01/2010 07:52:24 PM
- 751 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully.
07/01/2010 08:56:43 PM
- 824 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully.
07/01/2010 09:26:01 PM
- 757 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully.
07/01/2010 09:30:45 PM
- 697 Views
Personally I'm kind of sick of Rand being the only person killing FS!
07/01/2010 09:42:57 PM
- 878 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully.
07/01/2010 09:56:02 PM
- 810 Views
OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol:
07/01/2010 10:30:19 PM
- 784 Views
Yes. Anakin Skywalker all over again
06/01/2010 11:01:02 PM
- 887 Views
Meh
06/01/2010 11:30:24 PM
- 733 Views
The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them!
06/01/2010 11:33:32 PM
- 736 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them!
06/01/2010 11:50:37 PM
- 815 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them!
06/01/2010 11:55:03 PM
- 758 Views
I do have to guiltily say, though, that if Rand had balefired the Seanchan and THEN became good...
07/01/2010 12:03:20 AM
- 792 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them!
07/01/2010 12:23:11 AM
- 737 Views
I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing
07/01/2010 12:52:25 AM
- 741 Views
Re: I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing
07/01/2010 01:24:32 AM
- 806 Views
Re: I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing
07/01/2010 03:33:52 PM
- 743 Views
Re: I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing
07/01/2010 04:28:18 PM
- 890 Views
right cause all Generals are so well versed in medical conditions
07/01/2010 09:44:09 PM
- 844 Views

Nice way to avoid the argument.
07/01/2010 10:00:17 PM
- 798 Views
I'm just done talking in circles. You seem to think that because people
07/01/2010 11:53:05 PM
- 832 Views
I concede
07/01/2010 01:09:11 AM
- 726 Views
You weren't wrong overall, but there were some serious flaws in your reasoning.
07/01/2010 02:43:17 AM
- 833 Views
Morals are subjective anyhow,
07/01/2010 06:23:09 AM
- 820 Views
Re: Morals are subjective anyhow,
07/01/2010 03:23:59 PM
- 741 Views
I have religious beliefs and that is an absurd contention
09/01/2010 12:00:02 AM
- 817 Views
You are treating Graendal's "pets" as though they were enemy combatants
07/01/2010 03:40:03 PM
- 821 Views
Like I give a damn what a group of professional killers would do.
08/01/2010 11:39:11 PM
- 735 Views
Graendal captured these people as part of the Shadows offensive, Operation Chaos Rules
09/01/2010 12:00:40 AM
- 1031 Views
Well, I still liked your first argument. It's a freaking war. The argument ...
07/01/2010 07:08:53 PM
- 775 Views