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Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 06/01/2010 09:52:47 PM
Hundreds of channelers fighting with balefire could have wiped out a city in a matter of minutes.

'Course, maybe he actually does mean in a single attack, but I see no reason to believe that.


Umm. He did indeed say "one go". It seems pretty clear to me that he implied that the city was taken out in a single blow. Like a balefire nuclear missile.


I see it as a single offensive, or single battle. The idea that it was done in a single weave seems inconsistent from what we've read so far - we've seen Rand, the most powerful channeler in the world, use balefire in battle against Rahvin and Sammael, and it never came close to what was necessary to wipe out a city. Moiraine, one of the strongest Aes Sedai in centuries, wove balefire weak enough that there was some question that Be'lal might be reincarnated despite it. As this is pre-Choedan Kal, I cannot see how it is possible to imagine a weave of balefire capable of eradicating an entire city.

Also, if you read RJ's quote, you realise that this happened more than once. If in a single weave, how? The quote suggests that the cities were wiped out during conflict between the two sides, that both attackers and defenders were using balefire.

I don't understand how you see "one go", and think that means hundreds of different "gos" over a longer period.


You consider 'a matter of minutes' to be a long period when dealing with eradication of cities? And no, I did mean in one go. I simply interpret that 'go' to be a battle, rather than a weave.

RJ said what he said, and I think this time you are the one making an unwarranted assumption. :)

I think there is enough circumstantial evidence for me to argue that there is indeed a way of modifying balefire and that Rand knowing how thanks to LTT, used a wide beam that was still weak enough not to cause massive damage to the pattern.


Could you present that evidence to me?
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Rand the psycho? - 06/01/2010 02:53:30 AM 1586 Views
I cannot follow your assumptions. - 06/01/2010 04:07:33 AM 986 Views
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I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 06/01/2010 07:30:56 AM 900 Views
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Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 07/01/2010 12:56:26 AM 782 Views
Re: I doubt he meant 'in one go' as a single stream of balefire. - 07/01/2010 01:46:16 AM 778 Views
I agree with Templar - 09/01/2010 04:36:20 PM 768 Views
Re: I cannot follow your assumptions. - 06/01/2010 07:57:54 AM 877 Views
Rand crossed a line - 06/01/2010 02:36:42 PM 892 Views
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But... - 06/01/2010 04:34:02 PM 920 Views
Re: But... - 06/01/2010 06:14:25 PM 729 Views
Doesn't Balefire remove your thread from the Pattern permanently? - 06/01/2010 02:55:38 PM 770 Views
No, RJ stated balefired people can be reborn. *NM* - 06/01/2010 03:26:00 PM 406 Views
But not in this turning of the Wheel. So they'd miss out on MANY lifetimes. - 06/01/2010 05:46:04 PM 795 Views
What? - 06/01/2010 06:20:56 PM 797 Views
Where did you get that? - 06/01/2010 07:09:38 PM 765 Views
No, balefire just kills you backwards in time. It is not super-death. *NM* - 06/01/2010 09:58:18 PM 443 Views
LOL ... super-death! - 06/01/2010 11:59:31 PM 743 Views
Hah! *NM* - 07/01/2010 12:06:07 AM 378 Views
It makes me think of History of the World Part 1 - 07/01/2010 12:53:20 AM 753 Views
It makes me think of History of the World Part 1 - 07/01/2010 12:53:33 AM 729 Views
Yes it was. - 06/01/2010 06:51:15 PM 862 Views
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let me ask the question in a different way - 06/01/2010 11:26:43 PM 798 Views
Re: let me ask the question in a different way - 06/01/2010 11:40:56 PM 796 Views
actually that quote supports my thoughts - 06/01/2010 11:50:40 PM 818 Views
Re: actually that quote supports my thoughts - 07/01/2010 12:10:07 AM 774 Views
Meh. I just think advocating mass-murder is the opposite direction RJ meant for this to take. - 07/01/2010 12:00:44 AM 826 Views
Sigh. What mass murder? - 07/01/2010 12:15:01 AM 715 Views
you are kidding right? - 07/01/2010 12:19:58 AM 805 Views
In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 03:14:32 PM 787 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 03:57:43 PM 796 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 07:13:21 PM 811 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 07:52:24 PM 751 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 08:56:43 PM 824 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 09:26:01 PM 757 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 09:30:45 PM 697 Views
Personally I'm kind of sick of Rand being the only person killing FS! - 07/01/2010 09:42:57 PM 878 Views
Re: In this book Rand was a wimp and a bully. - 07/01/2010 09:56:02 PM 810 Views
OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol: - 07/01/2010 10:30:19 PM 784 Views
Re: OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol: - 08/01/2010 01:53:25 PM 745 Views
Re: OK I'm sorry but this gets a huge ROFL :lol: - 08/01/2010 02:56:41 PM 801 Views
What might work... - 08/01/2010 12:35:17 PM 709 Views
Re: What might work... - 08/01/2010 11:38:09 PM 734 Views
Yes. Anakin Skywalker all over again - 06/01/2010 11:01:02 PM 887 Views
Meh - 06/01/2010 11:30:24 PM 732 Views
The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 06/01/2010 11:33:32 PM 736 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 06/01/2010 11:50:37 PM 815 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 06/01/2010 11:55:03 PM 758 Views
I do have to guiltily say, though, that if Rand had balefired the Seanchan and THEN became good... - 07/01/2010 12:03:20 AM 792 Views
*laughs behind hand* - 07/01/2010 12:05:54 AM 870 Views
Re: The worst part about his atrocities is his rationalizing them! - 07/01/2010 12:23:11 AM 737 Views
I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing - 07/01/2010 12:52:25 AM 741 Views
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Re: I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing - 07/01/2010 03:33:52 PM 743 Views
Re: I don't think Rand or LTT (who has/have) little capacity for Healing - 07/01/2010 04:28:18 PM 890 Views
right cause all Generals are so well versed in medical conditions - 07/01/2010 09:44:09 PM 844 Views
Nice way to avoid the argument. - 07/01/2010 10:00:17 PM 798 Views
I'm just done talking in circles. You seem to think that because people - 07/01/2010 11:53:05 PM 830 Views
I concede - 07/01/2010 01:09:11 AM 726 Views
You weren't wrong overall, but there were some serious flaws in your reasoning. - 07/01/2010 02:43:17 AM 833 Views
Tee hee. - 07/01/2010 05:28:52 AM 773 Views
Morals are subjective anyhow, - 07/01/2010 06:23:09 AM 820 Views
Re: Morals are subjective anyhow, - 07/01/2010 03:23:59 PM 741 Views
I have religious beliefs and that is an absurd contention - 09/01/2010 12:00:02 AM 815 Views
Re: I have religious beliefs and that is an absurd contention - 09/01/2010 05:56:16 PM 976 Views
Re: I have religious beliefs and that is an absurd contention - 18/01/2010 01:00:23 PM 1083 Views
Your assertions weaken your overall argument. - 11/01/2010 04:47:10 PM 710 Views
Re: Your assertions weaken your overall argument. - 18/01/2010 12:49:26 PM 753 Views

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