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Re: Graendal's Fate (Alive or Dead?) randfandom Send a noteboard - 05/01/2010 06:46:19 PM

Consider the following scenario:

Idiot emissary arrives. Graendal Compels him, using her angreal because the Compulsion needed to be strong/delicate/etc., and sends him back to Rand, as Rand predicted. However, the emissary's arrival makes Graendal very nervous. She considers that her position has been compromised, and so prepares to Travel out of there at a moment's notice (first ensuring all the inverted Wards around her mansion, which almost certainly existed, are in place). Sometime later, Rand arrives and triggers one of the Wards. In the meantime, Graendal has put down her angreal somewhere. So, when the Ward is triggered, she doesn't have it with her, and doesn't dare take the time to retrieve it before Traveling out of there. Which she does. Rand then balefires the mansion, and (amongst other things) destroys the angreal. But Graendal escapes.

I'm pretty sure that, in that scenario, the emissary's Compulsion would be erased, since the angreal was used to weave it, and the balefire made the angreal cease to exist before it was used. I'm not 100% sure about that, though.


RJ states in several places that *objects* don't have a power to perform actions in themselves and that balefire erases the life thread of a person back in time so the action in that time never happened.

Given these two conditions, destruction of the angreal would have no more effect than had Rand balefired Graendal's hand (which she must have used to touch the emissary to effect the compulsion).

Whoever cast the compulsion is dead. The only uncertainty remaining is whether it was Graendal or someone else. I myself believe it was Graendal but we will not know for certain until a firmer proof is given in the next book.
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