Re: I'm being harsh with one poster who continues to mis-quote things!
darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 04/01/2010 03:26:10 PM
I'm not a fan of misquoting in general, or hyperbole.
Nor am I which has been my contention with Shannow.
Fionwe accused me of the opposite - saying that I trust Egwene's opinion too much over Moiraine's. Besides, I've never said that it was crap. I merely stated that you don't know how strong either woman is that stage, which is true, and that Moiraine mentioned several Forsaken as potential candidates who might be overwhelmed. I was focussed more on your erroneous statement that Moiraine said that the two women could defeat Lanfear.
I don't think they could defeat Lanfear. We have proof that she is far too skilled for that! What I said is that the quote shows us that in Raw strength the 2 would be stronger than her by a large enough margin to be considered by Moiraine to be "Overwhelming" ... so was Alivia when she faced Cyndane ... and she could barely hold her own!
I'm pretty sure RJ doesn't know the absolute strengths of the channelers.
I've been saying that for years, it's obvious that he wanted it to be vague so he had the maximum freedom to write.
She thinks Nynaeve alone could come closer than both she and Elayne could against Rand.
She thinks Nynaeve may have been able to split her flows a dozen ways and knows at this point she would no be able to do this
So?
Show's she grown considerably since TSR and is now capable of matching feats incredible skill, something only the strongest channelers could do
That's a huge mass of assumptions. Moghedien was known for her weakness - she says so openly to the Dark One. She never attended Forsaken meetings and only spied on them until she was mindtrapped. That's why she's alive. You've got no proof that Nynaeve is far closer to anything.
Just the fact that she's already as stronge as any sister in the Tower as soon as she begins channeling (TGH). Or that she's nearly as strong as Rand in TSR according to Egwene if you take the quote to mean nothing but strength. If she's not up in the 85%+ range of her strength early on she'd be massively stronger than even Rand.
I think there are equal spaces between Nynaeve - Egwene - Moiraine i.e. one average Sister's strength.
I don't think the evidence supports that. There are Women like Cadsuane, Bode, Nicole, Kerene, Meilyn and Therava all between Moiraine and Egwene, and the weakest of them (that we can map to) is a "Sharp increase" above Moiraine. Then you get at least 1 other woman before you even get to Cadsuane who is probably weaker yet than Bode! From Egwene to Nynaeve we have 3 women we know to be stronger and that margin is undefined. You choose to make it very wide, I think that doesn't match up with any kind of Bell Curve distribution. I also think it's ridiculous to assume RJ would make one of his primary protagonists only "average".
Not true. When asked how many men would qualify for the White Tower, RJ said a slightly higher amount, but then added that because of dexterity, the number would be the same. Therefore they are identical in their capabilities, if not in their exact methods.
That doesn't change what I said. Those men are still stronger than their female counterparts.
I don't really agree. I think saidar is a much more dense power like water, and saidin is like air. Men have larger volumes at their disposal but women have a more concentrated strength. Lanfear went after Rand with shielding at the end of FoH, and he himself said that he was at least as strong as Rahvin at that point.
Now who's got a whole mass of speculation
Lanfear had a whole lot more skill at her disposal, and Rand from his own POV was also holding back because he didn't want to kill her!It's also possible that Lanfear herself was somehow stronger than the 21 level list ('Finn theory or something like a gift from the DO) .... far fetched I'll give you ... making comparisons to her irrelevant!
RJ rubbished the Finn theory, and I don't think Lanfear was unnatural.
I know, I was being a smart ass
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
One Power strength - critical analysis of previous posts and some further ideas
- 03/01/2010 07:59:24 AM
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I support your view, with maybe a few comments to add...
- 03/01/2010 02:58:05 PM
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where is this phantom quote of Egwene "not standing a chance"
- 03/01/2010 05:20:20 PM
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Here's the real quote
- 03/01/2010 05:38:59 PM
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Well that quote perfectly illustrates the skewed way in which you interpret the evidence...
- 03/01/2010 06:18:22 PM
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I also think the quote is specific
- 03/01/2010 06:34:38 PM
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Skill not Strength is the key that and the potential that another FS was with her
- 03/01/2010 06:51:46 PM
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Bah
- 03/01/2010 07:13:01 PM
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Who's arguing that?
- 03/01/2010 07:34:21 PM
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What ARE you arguing?
- 03/01/2010 07:43:06 PM
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That there is far more to strength in her quote!
- 03/01/2010 08:05:20 PM
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Re: That there is far more to strength in her quote!
- 04/01/2010 09:40:05 AM
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and where do I ever say Elayne is only a small step below Moghedien?
- 04/01/2010 03:08:37 PM
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You more than imply it with your own list
- 04/01/2010 03:39:06 PM
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and you are fixated on simple strength to the exclusion of everything else
- 04/01/2010 05:05:54 PM
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Re: and you are fixated on simple strength to the exclusion of everything else
- 04/01/2010 06:46:45 PM
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Tiny Unimportant Objection to "Bell Curve" Point
- 03/01/2010 03:09:55 PM
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Re: Tiny Unimportant Objection to "Bell Curve" Point
- 03/01/2010 04:39:25 PM
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I've got a slightly revised opinion than my last post
- 03/01/2010 05:16:39 PM
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Re: I've got a slightly revised opinion than my last post
- 03/01/2010 06:31:09 PM
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It's actually not that complicated ... simple math actually
- 03/01/2010 07:08:52 PM
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Yes, but to think that RJ put that much effort into it is improbable
- 03/01/2010 07:19:13 PM
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I'm being harsh with one poster who continues to mis-quote things!
- 03/01/2010 07:56:17 PM
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Re: I'm being harsh with one poster who continues to mis-quote things!
- 04/01/2010 09:50:38 AM
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Re: I'm being harsh with one poster who continues to mis-quote things!
- 04/01/2010 03:26:10 PM
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Re: I'm being harsh with one poster who continues to mis-quote things!
- 04/01/2010 03:52:19 PM
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You are talking out of both sides of your mouth
- 04/01/2010 05:09:15 PM
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Dude
- 04/01/2010 06:21:28 PM
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Dude, please go back to Fionwe's post
- 04/01/2010 06:35:03 PM
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A reply...
- 03/01/2010 06:02:33 PM
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The Tower sample is skewed allright, but to the upper side of the strength range...
- 03/01/2010 06:36:45 PM
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Re: A reply...
- 03/01/2010 07:09:55 PM
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I think distance is related to Strength
- 03/01/2010 07:21:46 PM
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amusing side note
- 04/01/2010 05:22:39 AM
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Which is exactly what I envisage the AOL distribution to have looked like...
- 04/01/2010 07:03:51 AM
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Re: Which is exactly what I envisage the AOL distribution to have looked like...
- 04/01/2010 03:29:47 PM
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It may sound silly, but did you look at One Power values in the Wheel of Time CCG?
- 05/01/2010 12:56:41 AM
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Re: It may sound silly, but did you look at One Power values in the Wheel of Time CCG?
- 05/01/2010 07:33:21 AM
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