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Re: I have to disagree for a couple of reasons. taura-tierno Send a noteboard - 30/12/2009 12:37:40 AM


Lanfear / Alivia / (unnamed character option 1)
Sharina / Talaan / Someryn / (unnamed character option 2)
Semirhage / Nynaeve / Cyndane option 1
Graendal option 1 / Cyndane option 2 / Mesaana option 1
Graendal option 2/ Mesaana option 2
Moghedien





I would make my list more like this:

1 Lanfear, possibly Sharina &/or Alivia
2 Cyndane, possibly Sharina & Alivia
3 Graendal, Nynaeve
4 Semirhage, Someryn, Talaan
5 Mesaana
6 Moghedien

Lanfear's position is given. Cyndane's second, partly because I believe she's needed for the 6 stronger than Nyn (without adding too many new names to the list), and partly because she's stronger than Graendal, and I believe that Graendal is strong.

I've noticed that many people have questioned that placement of Cyndane, because it would make no real difference and thus, plot-wise, it doesn't make any sense. I do, however, believe that having Cyndane still being one of the strongest more proves how much stronger Lanfear was - if she can be weakened, and still be extremely strong, it's quite a statement to her original strength.

Since we now know that only 6 women are stronger than Nyaneve, and that she's probably stronger than Semirhage, even if it's a close call, that means Nyn is either on level 4 or 3. It might be that she's at the bottom of the 3rd, and Semirhage is at the top of the 4th. Or that they are both 3's, but with a slight difference in strength. I've decided to place Nynaeve on 3 and Semi on 4, but I'm definitely open to alternate solutions.

I do not believe that Graendal's thoughts about Cyndane were exagerration. I cannot quantify it, since it's more a feeling than anything else, though. I've chosen to put her at level 3, since my interpretation of her encounter with Someryn is that Someryin is not stronger than her. "Not negligible" doesn't sound like a "OMG she's stronger than me!" but more like a "She's strong enough that she might be a threat, but isn't one right now". If the were of equal strength, or if Someryn were stronger, Graendal should have felt more alarmed by the encounter, especially considering her reaction to Cyndane being stronger - almost as if she had been slapped in the face, with all the "very few were ever stronger than me"-attitude. Since there was no such attitude towards Someryn, my guess is that she's weaker, but not by much.

Concerning Talaan, I agree with those who claim that she's closer to her potential than Nynaeve, since she's been actively channelling a lot for several years more, and it's possible that the Windfinders push their students harder than Nynaeve has been pushed, since she hasn't been pushed at all until late in the series. So I've placed her one level below Nyaneve, but I would not argue against the two of them having the same potential.

Since we haven't seen any comparison between Sharina and Alivia, I've chosen to put them either at level 1 or 2. I don't think they're both on level 1 - either both are on 2, or there's one on each. I definitely don't see anything unreasonable with placing another channeller at the female maximum - Lanfear can't be the ONLY one ever to have been that strong. But I doubt we'll see many more there. Either way, we just don't know anything else than the fact that they're both stronger than Nynaeve. That Alivia was referred to as "significantly stronger" doesn't feel quite relevant - what's significant or not is an opinion, not pure fact.

On level 5 we have Mesaana, since BS mentioned that she's weak by Forsaken standards, but she's still stronger than Moghedien, who's at 6.
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Female Forsaken strength : a new post - 19/11/2009 04:12:35 PM 1655 Views
Except... - 19/11/2009 04:26:32 PM 699 Views
There's no evidence for that - 19/11/2009 04:31:17 PM 653 Views
It's common sense - 19/11/2009 04:40:01 PM 633 Views
No, it's based on absolutely nothing - 19/11/2009 04:50:30 PM 668 Views
If you agree that there are stronger damane than Alivia... - 19/11/2009 05:00:05 PM 591 Views
I didn't say that - 19/11/2009 05:07:33 PM 606 Views
Well, I think you are wrong... - 19/11/2009 05:35:27 PM 590 Views
Glad to have you back. Now for the arguments to start! - 19/11/2009 04:29:01 PM 708 Views
Hmm... - 19/11/2009 04:47:12 PM 710 Views
Actually, you are the one placing Lanfear immensely high, my list reduced the strength difference... - 19/11/2009 05:05:18 PM 778 Views
But I'm not - 19/11/2009 05:17:05 PM 686 Views
Let me ask you this... - 19/11/2009 10:13:12 PM 731 Views
Very good point *NM* - 20/11/2009 01:38:55 AM 313 Views
One possibility - 20/11/2009 03:18:55 AM 643 Views
All assumption - 20/11/2009 04:11:20 AM 580 Views
Why introduce that concept, if it is just of academic importance? - 20/11/2009 07:41:54 AM 566 Views
You don't know the significance of it at all - 20/11/2009 03:14:46 PM 677 Views
Why? - 20/11/2009 03:17:51 PM 1200 Views
Re: Why? - 20/11/2009 04:30:50 PM 547 Views
How can you argue in such a way and still keep a straight face (presumably)... - 20/11/2009 05:07:39 PM 586 Views
Re: How can you argue in such a way and still keep a straight face (presumably)... - 21/11/2009 10:55:47 AM 573 Views
Is Graendal the only Forsaken NOT to overstate her own ability then? - 21/11/2009 01:53:28 PM 680 Views
Probably not in this case - 21/11/2009 11:34:25 PM 563 Views
Your rankings hinge ENTIRELY on whether you have Graendal correctly placed. - 20/11/2009 03:24:22 PM 524 Views
Yeah... entirely - 20/11/2009 04:33:45 PM 544 Views
Okay, "entirely" was a bad choice of word. - 20/11/2009 09:57:52 PM 569 Views
Re: Okay, "entirely" was a bad choice of word. - 21/11/2009 10:48:16 AM 628 Views
Re: Let me ask you this... - 23/12/2009 04:30:27 PM 598 Views
*correction*Re: Let me ask you this... - 23/12/2009 04:32:02 PM 565 Views
my comments w/ edit - 19/11/2009 04:37:27 PM 651 Views
Re: my comments w/ edit - 19/11/2009 04:54:30 PM 716 Views
Re: my comments w/ edit - 23/12/2009 04:42:15 PM 523 Views
What ever happened to all teh info from wotmania? Especially the FAQs? *NM* - 19/11/2009 05:01:45 PM 397 Views
http://13depository.blogspot.com/ *NM* - 19/11/2009 05:31:01 PM 322 Views
Re: Female Forsaken strength : a new post - 19/11/2009 05:39:10 PM 663 Views
Re: Female Forsaken strength : a new post -- What about Dexterity?? - 19/11/2009 06:44:31 PM 674 Views
This perfectly matches my understanding of the situation. - 19/11/2009 07:06:31 PM 544 Views
Agreed! This make more sense than the previous list *NM* - 20/11/2009 12:07:37 AM 356 Views
Too many levels - 20/11/2009 01:48:24 AM 675 Views
You are completely right about too many levels. - 20/11/2009 04:17:17 AM 556 Views
21 levels is largely a myth - 20/11/2009 04:27:27 AM 556 Views
Re: 21 levels is largely a myth - 20/11/2009 01:51:17 PM 691 Views
Thanks for the post. Interesting stuff there. *NM* - 20/11/2009 03:14:12 PM 295 Views
That's good to know. - 20/11/2009 07:56:41 PM 524 Views
I have to disagree for a couple of reasons. - 20/11/2009 04:14:40 AM 665 Views
Talaan is not stronger than Nynaeve - 28/11/2009 08:27:22 PM 692 Views
Re: Talaan is not stronger than Nynaeve - 28/11/2009 10:05:15 PM 778 Views
Talaan has be channeling for 6 or 7 years - 28/11/2009 10:56:12 PM 595 Views
Re: I have to disagree for a couple of reasons. - 30/12/2009 12:37:40 AM 1003 Views
Agree with nearly all - 20/11/2009 04:43:47 AM 558 Views
more hopefully to come - 20/11/2009 08:15:00 PM 535 Views
Thanks KCF, that's a great question to ask. - 20/11/2009 08:28:32 PM 758 Views
A little more evidence that Nynaeve is stronger than Semirhage - 29/11/2009 12:12:37 AM 553 Views
I agree that Graendal is the 2nd most powerful woman Forsaken - 29/11/2009 04:07:00 PM 522 Views
It's possible - 30/11/2009 08:23:28 PM 528 Views
Re: It's possible - 01/12/2009 06:18:56 PM 641 Views

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