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No... Etzel Send a noteboard - 29/12/2009 06:47:07 PM
Is refuted by the BWB. The need for Slayer while more powerful tools were in stasis is obvious, but that doesn't mean that he's the only assassin ... just a specialist ... and he's obsolete with Channelers and Gholam out there now in any case!


I said that Lanfear and Moghedien never acted as assassins in the books, i.e. in the series. Maybe because there are things like Gray Men, draghkar and Slayer, and the Forsaken have better things to do than performing assassinations? Apparently Slayer isn't obsolete, otherwise the DO, the Forsaken and high-ranking DF wouldn't use him.

He's failed time and again:

1. Fain, still alive and kicking and from what we can see Slayer never even got close to him!

2. Perrin (who wasn't really his "mark" just in the way)

3. Nynaeve (seems like he was just covering his tracks when seen with her, I don't recall him being sent after her)

4. Rand/Min ... that was just a big bungle!

His biggest accomplishment in series thus far was killing a couple of bound AS and a Gray Man ... doesn't seem like he's all that special if you as me. Millie seems to have done as much :P


Yeah, on the other hand, the super assassins Cyndane and Moghedien were of course pretty thorough & quick in killing Perrin and Mat. For that matter, the Forsaken in general seem very successful in killing Rand, Min, Nynaeve, Fain or many others..

As I often said, just because the Shadow fails, doesn't mean it's supposed to be completely incompetent by the author. Certain characters are simply still needed for the plot.
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Fain's Myrddraal Etzel - 28/12/2009 01:45:58 PM 1771 Views
Nope, Myrddraal have been nothing but cannon fodder since book four *NM* Lordling - 28/12/2009 03:01:01 PM 408 Views
except, of course, for Shaidar Haran *NM* darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 03:12:17 PM 416 Views
But what was the purpose then? Etzel - 28/12/2009 03:43:01 PM 750 Views
To show the relationship between Fain and DO Bonden - 28/12/2009 03:52:59 PM 703 Views
Maybe... Etzel - 28/12/2009 04:02:42 PM 707 Views
Re: Maybe... Bonden - 29/12/2009 03:58:57 AM 963 Views
Re: Fain's Myrddraal RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 03:19:37 PM 738 Views
Slayer also hunts Rand Etzel - 28/12/2009 03:57:11 PM 747 Views
I think it's possible that Slayer could have killed Asmo darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 04:35:57 PM 658 Views
The explanations Etzel - 28/12/2009 05:06:02 PM 929 Views
Perhaps, I still don't buy it, but if that's the way it turns out I won't be shocked darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 05:20:06 PM 847 Views
Your reaction would be similar to BS's then Etzel - 28/12/2009 05:57:44 PM 1790 Views
I don't really have a strong opinion on which suspect did it darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 06:03:07 PM 659 Views
Well... Etzel - 28/12/2009 06:42:16 PM 727 Views
Indeed *NM* darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 06:55:52 PM 366 Views
Re: The explanations RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 08:01:19 PM 601 Views
The case for Graendal was already weak before TGS... Etzel - 28/12/2009 08:13:07 PM 679 Views
Re: The case for Graendal was already weak before TGS... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 10:19:24 PM 768 Views
The reason is... Etzel - 29/12/2009 11:58:24 AM 747 Views
The reasoning is very weak. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 03:34:19 PM 731 Views
If you mean... Etzel - 29/12/2009 04:01:25 PM 807 Views
A few points darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 04:14:12 PM 668 Views
You are wrong... Etzel - 29/12/2009 04:25:09 PM 662 Views
Thanks for the quote .. obviously hadn't heard that one before! darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 04:31:37 PM 754 Views
Key word - "possibly" RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 04:38:46 PM 660 Views
As said, if you just compare it to Alviarin's mark, it's clear. Etzel - 29/12/2009 05:06:47 PM 640 Views
Re: As said, if you just compare it to Alviarin's mark, it's clear. darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 06:08:09 PM 598 Views
Well, it protects you of Shadowspawn, not that bad. Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:12:04 PM 641 Views
I don't think what happened to Fain or Slayer are "gifts" darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 06:26:15 PM 568 Views
Slayer calls it "gifts" in his PoV Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:37:49 PM 591 Views
I think you are stretching the reality a bit darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 06:42:10 PM 656 Views
You confuse it a bit... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:57:07 PM 717 Views
I think you've got it backwards darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 07:12:02 PM 616 Views
However... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:16:08 PM 658 Views
I wasn't arguing that point darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 08:13:25 PM 879 Views
Some things don't have to be spelled out, if they are that clear... *NM* Etzel - 29/12/2009 08:18:05 PM 603 Views
clearly they do since people are discussing it! darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 09:37:00 PM 591 Views
Yes; it is not readily apparant that the mark was made with the TP. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 06:12:07 PM 655 Views
Sorry, but that is utter nonsense Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:24:54 PM 743 Views
You are incorrect; I'm actually thinking that you only skimmed certain sections! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 06:38:37 PM 705 Views
Simply read the books and what the authors said... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:55:42 PM 655 Views
Sorry, I think you have an opinion and read everything to support it in this case. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:02:42 PM 618 Views
Ok, then we play dumb, if you like... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:14:58 PM 741 Views
Because the Dark One is not merely a super channeler. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:21:21 PM 746 Views
Well, I disagree of course... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:36:19 PM 866 Views
You are mistaken on quite a few counts. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 04:37:51 PM 818 Views
Actually... Etzel - 29/12/2009 05:04:54 PM 728 Views
BWB says... darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 05:48:40 PM 960 Views
Exactly. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 06:12:30 PM 336 Views
Well... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:18:08 PM 765 Views
Just pointing out that your comment about Lanfear and Moggy not being assassins darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 06:37:21 PM 668 Views
No... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:47:07 PM 852 Views
Re: No... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:00:20 PM 836 Views
Again... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:10:12 PM 600 Views
So you dismiss the actual assassinations the Forsaken have performed on-screen? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:26:55 PM 628 Views
Again... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:47:57 PM 570 Views
I think any Forsaken is capable of doing it. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 08:05:10 PM 657 Views
Then another Forsaken, e.g. Sammael.. Etzel - 29/12/2009 08:16:50 PM 538 Views
Re: Then another Forsaken, e.g. Sammael.. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 09:21:23 PM 630 Views
She kidnapped the Sharan's ... who's to say she hasn't killed others? *NM* darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 08:17:28 PM 346 Views
Yeah, after TFoH! We are looking for clues before LoC, guys! *sigh* Etzel - 29/12/2009 08:31:13 PM 548 Views
Where did I say this was a clue to her doing it? darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 09:58:29 PM 743 Views
I don't say... Etzel - 30/12/2009 12:08:27 PM 801 Views
Most of what you are talking about with Slayer is discoverd after LoC darius_sedai - 30/12/2009 02:36:18 PM 718 Views
Re: Well... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 06:41:29 PM 633 Views
It becomes clear... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:59:03 PM 563 Views
Basically, you think Slayer killed him. I do not. Nor do I care. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:04:20 PM 547 Views
Fair enough. *NM* Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:17:22 PM 398 Views
Re: Slayer also hunts Rand RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 04:39:36 PM 813 Views
As said... Etzel - 28/12/2009 04:54:07 PM 645 Views
Re: As said... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 07:49:22 PM 640 Views
It's rather the TP, which makes Slayer inhuman... Etzel - 28/12/2009 08:21:20 PM 621 Views
makes you wonder darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 09:45:08 PM 667 Views
Re: makes you wonder RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 10:16:57 PM 699 Views
I think... Etzel - 29/12/2009 12:03:41 PM 617 Views
Fain's Myrddraal killed asmo LOL *NM* aldapelan - 29/12/2009 05:26:22 AM 398 Views
It is quite obvious that it was Mistress Laras. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 03:35:36 PM 366 Views
Intuitively, even. *NM* Gher - 29/12/2009 06:03:13 PM 361 Views
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