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I don't think what happened to Fain or Slayer are "gifts" darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 29/12/2009 06:26:15 PM
Thus Ishamael can't duplicate their powers by using the TP. And he is far more powerful than any of the Shadowspawn with these abilities.


Or are you also disputing that SH made this mark with the TP?


I'm not sure how Aliviarin's mark (while obviously TP) is relevant to any of this... Her mark merely points her out as "property of the DO" so that Shadowspawn won't kill her... it so far hasn't been shown or discussed that it gives her any extra abilities.... or do you have another RJ quote up your sleeve for me :)


It's basically also a gift from the DO (or his Shadow-self SH), like e.g. Slayer or Fain got gifts from the DO, which are of course also granted by the TP.


Certainly Fain would disagree!

Alviarin's mark is more of a sign-post than anything else. As an AS it's doubtful she really needed the protection it offered anyway ... as I see it she's just a cow the DO put a Brand on as a warning to poachers.
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Fain's Myrddraal Etzel - 28/12/2009 01:45:58 PM 1847 Views
Nope, Myrddraal have been nothing but cannon fodder since book four *NM* Lordling - 28/12/2009 03:01:01 PM 440 Views
except, of course, for Shaidar Haran *NM* darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 03:12:17 PM 449 Views
But what was the purpose then? Etzel - 28/12/2009 03:43:01 PM 814 Views
To show the relationship between Fain and DO Bonden - 28/12/2009 03:52:59 PM 774 Views
Maybe... Etzel - 28/12/2009 04:02:42 PM 795 Views
Re: Maybe... Bonden - 29/12/2009 03:58:57 AM 1042 Views
Re: Fain's Myrddraal RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 03:19:37 PM 816 Views
Slayer also hunts Rand Etzel - 28/12/2009 03:57:11 PM 823 Views
I think it's possible that Slayer could have killed Asmo darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 04:35:57 PM 734 Views
The explanations Etzel - 28/12/2009 05:06:02 PM 998 Views
Perhaps, I still don't buy it, but if that's the way it turns out I won't be shocked darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 05:20:06 PM 918 Views
Your reaction would be similar to BS's then Etzel - 28/12/2009 05:57:44 PM 1867 Views
I don't really have a strong opinion on which suspect did it darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 06:03:07 PM 739 Views
Well... Etzel - 28/12/2009 06:42:16 PM 790 Views
Indeed *NM* darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 06:55:52 PM 395 Views
Re: The explanations RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 08:01:19 PM 674 Views
The case for Graendal was already weak before TGS... Etzel - 28/12/2009 08:13:07 PM 774 Views
Re: The case for Graendal was already weak before TGS... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 10:19:24 PM 838 Views
The reason is... Etzel - 29/12/2009 11:58:24 AM 820 Views
The reasoning is very weak. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 03:34:19 PM 813 Views
If you mean... Etzel - 29/12/2009 04:01:25 PM 889 Views
A few points darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 04:14:12 PM 743 Views
You are wrong... Etzel - 29/12/2009 04:25:09 PM 732 Views
Thanks for the quote .. obviously hadn't heard that one before! darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 04:31:37 PM 834 Views
Key word - "possibly" RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 04:38:46 PM 745 Views
As said, if you just compare it to Alviarin's mark, it's clear. Etzel - 29/12/2009 05:06:47 PM 711 Views
Re: As said, if you just compare it to Alviarin's mark, it's clear. darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 06:08:09 PM 643 Views
Well, it protects you of Shadowspawn, not that bad. Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:12:04 PM 721 Views
I don't think what happened to Fain or Slayer are "gifts" darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 06:26:15 PM 644 Views
Slayer calls it "gifts" in his PoV Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:37:49 PM 689 Views
I think you are stretching the reality a bit darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 06:42:10 PM 732 Views
You confuse it a bit... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:57:07 PM 795 Views
I think you've got it backwards darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 07:12:02 PM 688 Views
However... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:16:08 PM 731 Views
I wasn't arguing that point darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 08:13:25 PM 953 Views
Some things don't have to be spelled out, if they are that clear... *NM* Etzel - 29/12/2009 08:18:05 PM 684 Views
clearly they do since people are discussing it! darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 09:37:00 PM 667 Views
Yes; it is not readily apparant that the mark was made with the TP. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 06:12:07 PM 728 Views
Sorry, but that is utter nonsense Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:24:54 PM 821 Views
You are incorrect; I'm actually thinking that you only skimmed certain sections! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 06:38:37 PM 780 Views
Simply read the books and what the authors said... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:55:42 PM 732 Views
Sorry, I think you have an opinion and read everything to support it in this case. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:02:42 PM 703 Views
Ok, then we play dumb, if you like... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:14:58 PM 810 Views
Because the Dark One is not merely a super channeler. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:21:21 PM 829 Views
Well, I disagree of course... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:36:19 PM 948 Views
You are mistaken on quite a few counts. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 04:37:51 PM 893 Views
Actually... Etzel - 29/12/2009 05:04:54 PM 793 Views
BWB says... darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 05:48:40 PM 1028 Views
Exactly. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 06:12:30 PM 366 Views
Well... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:18:08 PM 840 Views
Just pointing out that your comment about Lanfear and Moggy not being assassins darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 06:37:21 PM 744 Views
No... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:47:07 PM 934 Views
Re: No... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:00:20 PM 908 Views
Again... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:10:12 PM 668 Views
So you dismiss the actual assassinations the Forsaken have performed on-screen? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:26:55 PM 700 Views
Again... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:47:57 PM 641 Views
I think any Forsaken is capable of doing it. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 08:05:10 PM 741 Views
Then another Forsaken, e.g. Sammael.. Etzel - 29/12/2009 08:16:50 PM 613 Views
Re: Then another Forsaken, e.g. Sammael.. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 09:21:23 PM 709 Views
She kidnapped the Sharan's ... who's to say she hasn't killed others? *NM* darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 08:17:28 PM 377 Views
Yeah, after TFoH! We are looking for clues before LoC, guys! *sigh* Etzel - 29/12/2009 08:31:13 PM 589 Views
Where did I say this was a clue to her doing it? darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 09:58:29 PM 822 Views
I don't say... Etzel - 30/12/2009 12:08:27 PM 892 Views
Most of what you are talking about with Slayer is discoverd after LoC darius_sedai - 30/12/2009 02:36:18 PM 798 Views
Re: Well... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 06:41:29 PM 712 Views
It becomes clear... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:59:03 PM 645 Views
Basically, you think Slayer killed him. I do not. Nor do I care. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:04:20 PM 626 Views
Fair enough. *NM* Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:17:22 PM 429 Views
Re: Slayer also hunts Rand RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 04:39:36 PM 891 Views
As said... Etzel - 28/12/2009 04:54:07 PM 719 Views
Re: As said... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 07:49:22 PM 718 Views
It's rather the TP, which makes Slayer inhuman... Etzel - 28/12/2009 08:21:20 PM 689 Views
makes you wonder darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 09:45:08 PM 744 Views
Re: makes you wonder RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 10:16:57 PM 768 Views
I think... Etzel - 29/12/2009 12:03:41 PM 683 Views
Fain's Myrddraal killed asmo LOL *NM* aldapelan - 29/12/2009 05:26:22 AM 433 Views
It is quite obvious that it was Mistress Laras. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 03:35:36 PM 396 Views
Intuitively, even. *NM* Gher - 29/12/2009 06:03:13 PM 392 Views
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