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The reason is... Etzel Send a noteboard - 29/12/2009 11:58:24 AM
I still don't see the logic of saying that someone couldn't have murdered another person many months ago just because that person may have been recently killed. Being killed doesn't negate actions you took in the past, and even the most powerful stream of balefire wouldn't undo her actions from months ago.


That RJ said that he will most likely reveal who killed Asmo in the killer's PoV. Since Graendal will most likely not have any other PoV, it makes it less likely that she is the killer (it's also not really understandable, why it wasn't already revealed in her previous PoV then, since she is among the Forsaken with the most PoV).

But even without this the Graendal theory was basically simply based on the fact that we see her as one of the Forsaken in TFoH before Asmo's death, who wanted to lure Rand to Sammael in Illian (at least, if you take the clues from before LoC, as RJ said we should).

I just don't see anything beyond "Slayer slays things so he probably killed Asmodean! Oh, and he has powers!" to this theory. Sorry!


Slayer is a Top Assassin of the Shadow with special "channeler-like" TP abilities by the DO, who already hunted/killed other important traitors or enemies of the Shadow before LoC. Slayer is apparently pretty significant, because this plotline about Luc, Isam & Slayer was already introduced in EotW and will likely accompany us till AMoL, as BS indicated.
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Fain's Myrddraal Etzel - 28/12/2009 01:45:58 PM 1771 Views
Nope, Myrddraal have been nothing but cannon fodder since book four *NM* Lordling - 28/12/2009 03:01:01 PM 408 Views
except, of course, for Shaidar Haran *NM* darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 03:12:17 PM 416 Views
But what was the purpose then? Etzel - 28/12/2009 03:43:01 PM 749 Views
To show the relationship between Fain and DO Bonden - 28/12/2009 03:52:59 PM 703 Views
Maybe... Etzel - 28/12/2009 04:02:42 PM 706 Views
Re: Maybe... Bonden - 29/12/2009 03:58:57 AM 963 Views
Re: Fain's Myrddraal RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 03:19:37 PM 737 Views
Slayer also hunts Rand Etzel - 28/12/2009 03:57:11 PM 747 Views
I think it's possible that Slayer could have killed Asmo darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 04:35:57 PM 658 Views
The explanations Etzel - 28/12/2009 05:06:02 PM 927 Views
Perhaps, I still don't buy it, but if that's the way it turns out I won't be shocked darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 05:20:06 PM 846 Views
Your reaction would be similar to BS's then Etzel - 28/12/2009 05:57:44 PM 1790 Views
I don't really have a strong opinion on which suspect did it darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 06:03:07 PM 659 Views
Well... Etzel - 28/12/2009 06:42:16 PM 726 Views
Indeed *NM* darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 06:55:52 PM 366 Views
Re: The explanations RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 08:01:19 PM 601 Views
The case for Graendal was already weak before TGS... Etzel - 28/12/2009 08:13:07 PM 678 Views
Re: The case for Graendal was already weak before TGS... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 10:19:24 PM 767 Views
The reason is... Etzel - 29/12/2009 11:58:24 AM 747 Views
The reasoning is very weak. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 03:34:19 PM 731 Views
If you mean... Etzel - 29/12/2009 04:01:25 PM 807 Views
A few points darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 04:14:12 PM 668 Views
You are wrong... Etzel - 29/12/2009 04:25:09 PM 662 Views
Thanks for the quote .. obviously hadn't heard that one before! darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 04:31:37 PM 754 Views
Key word - "possibly" RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 04:38:46 PM 660 Views
As said, if you just compare it to Alviarin's mark, it's clear. Etzel - 29/12/2009 05:06:47 PM 640 Views
Re: As said, if you just compare it to Alviarin's mark, it's clear. darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 06:08:09 PM 597 Views
Well, it protects you of Shadowspawn, not that bad. Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:12:04 PM 640 Views
I don't think what happened to Fain or Slayer are "gifts" darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 06:26:15 PM 566 Views
Slayer calls it "gifts" in his PoV Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:37:49 PM 591 Views
I think you are stretching the reality a bit darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 06:42:10 PM 656 Views
You confuse it a bit... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:57:07 PM 716 Views
I think you've got it backwards darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 07:12:02 PM 615 Views
However... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:16:08 PM 657 Views
I wasn't arguing that point darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 08:13:25 PM 878 Views
Some things don't have to be spelled out, if they are that clear... *NM* Etzel - 29/12/2009 08:18:05 PM 602 Views
clearly they do since people are discussing it! darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 09:37:00 PM 591 Views
Yes; it is not readily apparant that the mark was made with the TP. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 06:12:07 PM 655 Views
Sorry, but that is utter nonsense Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:24:54 PM 743 Views
You are incorrect; I'm actually thinking that you only skimmed certain sections! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 06:38:37 PM 705 Views
Simply read the books and what the authors said... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:55:42 PM 655 Views
Sorry, I think you have an opinion and read everything to support it in this case. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:02:42 PM 618 Views
Ok, then we play dumb, if you like... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:14:58 PM 741 Views
Because the Dark One is not merely a super channeler. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:21:21 PM 746 Views
Well, I disagree of course... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:36:19 PM 866 Views
You are mistaken on quite a few counts. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 04:37:51 PM 817 Views
Actually... Etzel - 29/12/2009 05:04:54 PM 727 Views
BWB says... darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 05:48:40 PM 959 Views
Exactly. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 06:12:30 PM 336 Views
Well... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:18:08 PM 764 Views
Just pointing out that your comment about Lanfear and Moggy not being assassins darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 06:37:21 PM 668 Views
No... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:47:07 PM 851 Views
Re: No... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:00:20 PM 836 Views
Again... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:10:12 PM 599 Views
So you dismiss the actual assassinations the Forsaken have performed on-screen? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:26:55 PM 626 Views
Again... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:47:57 PM 570 Views
I think any Forsaken is capable of doing it. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 08:05:10 PM 657 Views
Then another Forsaken, e.g. Sammael.. Etzel - 29/12/2009 08:16:50 PM 537 Views
Re: Then another Forsaken, e.g. Sammael.. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 09:21:23 PM 630 Views
She kidnapped the Sharan's ... who's to say she hasn't killed others? *NM* darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 08:17:28 PM 346 Views
Yeah, after TFoH! We are looking for clues before LoC, guys! *sigh* Etzel - 29/12/2009 08:31:13 PM 547 Views
Where did I say this was a clue to her doing it? darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 09:58:29 PM 742 Views
I don't say... Etzel - 30/12/2009 12:08:27 PM 801 Views
Most of what you are talking about with Slayer is discoverd after LoC darius_sedai - 30/12/2009 02:36:18 PM 716 Views
Re: Well... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 06:41:29 PM 633 Views
It becomes clear... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:59:03 PM 563 Views
Basically, you think Slayer killed him. I do not. Nor do I care. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:04:20 PM 547 Views
Fair enough. *NM* Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:17:22 PM 398 Views
Re: Slayer also hunts Rand RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 04:39:36 PM 813 Views
As said... Etzel - 28/12/2009 04:54:07 PM 645 Views
Re: As said... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 07:49:22 PM 640 Views
It's rather the TP, which makes Slayer inhuman... Etzel - 28/12/2009 08:21:20 PM 621 Views
makes you wonder darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 09:45:08 PM 665 Views
Re: makes you wonder RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 10:16:57 PM 697 Views
I think... Etzel - 29/12/2009 12:03:41 PM 617 Views
Fain's Myrddraal killed asmo LOL *NM* aldapelan - 29/12/2009 05:26:22 AM 398 Views
It is quite obvious that it was Mistress Laras. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 03:35:36 PM 366 Views
Intuitively, even. *NM* Gher - 29/12/2009 06:03:13 PM 361 Views
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