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The reason is... Etzel Send a noteboard - 29/12/2009 11:58:24 AM
I still don't see the logic of saying that someone couldn't have murdered another person many months ago just because that person may have been recently killed. Being killed doesn't negate actions you took in the past, and even the most powerful stream of balefire wouldn't undo her actions from months ago.


That RJ said that he will most likely reveal who killed Asmo in the killer's PoV. Since Graendal will most likely not have any other PoV, it makes it less likely that she is the killer (it's also not really understandable, why it wasn't already revealed in her previous PoV then, since she is among the Forsaken with the most PoV).

But even without this the Graendal theory was basically simply based on the fact that we see her as one of the Forsaken in TFoH before Asmo's death, who wanted to lure Rand to Sammael in Illian (at least, if you take the clues from before LoC, as RJ said we should).

I just don't see anything beyond "Slayer slays things so he probably killed Asmodean! Oh, and he has powers!" to this theory. Sorry!


Slayer is a Top Assassin of the Shadow with special "channeler-like" TP abilities by the DO, who already hunted/killed other important traitors or enemies of the Shadow before LoC. Slayer is apparently pretty significant, because this plotline about Luc, Isam & Slayer was already introduced in EotW and will likely accompany us till AMoL, as BS indicated.
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Fain's Myrddraal Etzel - 28/12/2009 01:45:58 PM 1847 Views
Nope, Myrddraal have been nothing but cannon fodder since book four *NM* Lordling - 28/12/2009 03:01:01 PM 440 Views
except, of course, for Shaidar Haran *NM* darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 03:12:17 PM 449 Views
But what was the purpose then? Etzel - 28/12/2009 03:43:01 PM 814 Views
To show the relationship between Fain and DO Bonden - 28/12/2009 03:52:59 PM 773 Views
Maybe... Etzel - 28/12/2009 04:02:42 PM 794 Views
Re: Maybe... Bonden - 29/12/2009 03:58:57 AM 1042 Views
Re: Fain's Myrddraal RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 03:19:37 PM 815 Views
Slayer also hunts Rand Etzel - 28/12/2009 03:57:11 PM 822 Views
I think it's possible that Slayer could have killed Asmo darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 04:35:57 PM 734 Views
The explanations Etzel - 28/12/2009 05:06:02 PM 997 Views
Perhaps, I still don't buy it, but if that's the way it turns out I won't be shocked darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 05:20:06 PM 917 Views
Your reaction would be similar to BS's then Etzel - 28/12/2009 05:57:44 PM 1867 Views
I don't really have a strong opinion on which suspect did it darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 06:03:07 PM 738 Views
Well... Etzel - 28/12/2009 06:42:16 PM 789 Views
Indeed *NM* darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 06:55:52 PM 395 Views
Re: The explanations RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 08:01:19 PM 673 Views
The case for Graendal was already weak before TGS... Etzel - 28/12/2009 08:13:07 PM 773 Views
Re: The case for Graendal was already weak before TGS... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 10:19:24 PM 837 Views
The reason is... Etzel - 29/12/2009 11:58:24 AM 819 Views
The reasoning is very weak. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 03:34:19 PM 812 Views
If you mean... Etzel - 29/12/2009 04:01:25 PM 888 Views
A few points darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 04:14:12 PM 742 Views
You are wrong... Etzel - 29/12/2009 04:25:09 PM 731 Views
Thanks for the quote .. obviously hadn't heard that one before! darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 04:31:37 PM 833 Views
Key word - "possibly" RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 04:38:46 PM 744 Views
As said, if you just compare it to Alviarin's mark, it's clear. Etzel - 29/12/2009 05:06:47 PM 710 Views
Re: As said, if you just compare it to Alviarin's mark, it's clear. darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 06:08:09 PM 642 Views
Well, it protects you of Shadowspawn, not that bad. Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:12:04 PM 720 Views
I don't think what happened to Fain or Slayer are "gifts" darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 06:26:15 PM 643 Views
Slayer calls it "gifts" in his PoV Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:37:49 PM 688 Views
I think you are stretching the reality a bit darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 06:42:10 PM 731 Views
You confuse it a bit... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:57:07 PM 794 Views
I think you've got it backwards darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 07:12:02 PM 687 Views
However... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:16:08 PM 730 Views
I wasn't arguing that point darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 08:13:25 PM 952 Views
Some things don't have to be spelled out, if they are that clear... *NM* Etzel - 29/12/2009 08:18:05 PM 683 Views
clearly they do since people are discussing it! darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 09:37:00 PM 666 Views
Yes; it is not readily apparant that the mark was made with the TP. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 06:12:07 PM 727 Views
Sorry, but that is utter nonsense Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:24:54 PM 820 Views
You are incorrect; I'm actually thinking that you only skimmed certain sections! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 06:38:37 PM 779 Views
Simply read the books and what the authors said... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:55:42 PM 731 Views
Sorry, I think you have an opinion and read everything to support it in this case. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:02:42 PM 702 Views
Ok, then we play dumb, if you like... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:14:58 PM 809 Views
Because the Dark One is not merely a super channeler. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:21:21 PM 828 Views
Well, I disagree of course... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:36:19 PM 947 Views
You are mistaken on quite a few counts. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 04:37:51 PM 892 Views
Actually... Etzel - 29/12/2009 05:04:54 PM 793 Views
BWB says... darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 05:48:40 PM 1027 Views
Exactly. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 06:12:30 PM 366 Views
Well... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:18:08 PM 839 Views
Just pointing out that your comment about Lanfear and Moggy not being assassins darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 06:37:21 PM 743 Views
No... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:47:07 PM 933 Views
Re: No... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:00:20 PM 907 Views
Again... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:10:12 PM 667 Views
So you dismiss the actual assassinations the Forsaken have performed on-screen? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:26:55 PM 699 Views
Again... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:47:57 PM 640 Views
I think any Forsaken is capable of doing it. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 08:05:10 PM 740 Views
Then another Forsaken, e.g. Sammael.. Etzel - 29/12/2009 08:16:50 PM 612 Views
Re: Then another Forsaken, e.g. Sammael.. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 09:21:23 PM 708 Views
She kidnapped the Sharan's ... who's to say she hasn't killed others? *NM* darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 08:17:28 PM 377 Views
Yeah, after TFoH! We are looking for clues before LoC, guys! *sigh* Etzel - 29/12/2009 08:31:13 PM 589 Views
Where did I say this was a clue to her doing it? darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 09:58:29 PM 821 Views
I don't say... Etzel - 30/12/2009 12:08:27 PM 891 Views
Most of what you are talking about with Slayer is discoverd after LoC darius_sedai - 30/12/2009 02:36:18 PM 797 Views
Re: Well... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 06:41:29 PM 712 Views
It becomes clear... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:59:03 PM 644 Views
Basically, you think Slayer killed him. I do not. Nor do I care. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:04:20 PM 625 Views
Fair enough. *NM* Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:17:22 PM 429 Views
Re: Slayer also hunts Rand RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 04:39:36 PM 890 Views
As said... Etzel - 28/12/2009 04:54:07 PM 718 Views
Re: As said... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 07:49:22 PM 718 Views
It's rather the TP, which makes Slayer inhuman... Etzel - 28/12/2009 08:21:20 PM 688 Views
makes you wonder darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 09:45:08 PM 743 Views
Re: makes you wonder RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 10:16:57 PM 767 Views
I think... Etzel - 29/12/2009 12:03:41 PM 683 Views
Fain's Myrddraal killed asmo LOL *NM* aldapelan - 29/12/2009 05:26:22 AM 433 Views
It is quite obvious that it was Mistress Laras. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 03:35:36 PM 396 Views
Intuitively, even. *NM* Gher - 29/12/2009 06:03:13 PM 392 Views
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