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of course it's about skill darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 19/12/2009 05:22:45 PM

You keep thinking that when someone talks about being able to "match" one of the Forsaken they are only considering absolute strength! Egwene and the others know better than to think this since they've been around Moghedien and experienced Lanfear etc... Even Cadsuane worries that Semirhage may escape ... and there is no reason to believe that Semirhage's raw strength is what makes her worry! The various Channelers in the area could easily overpower any individual...


Egwene knows Lanfear's strength. It's likely she needs to at least match it to have some idea of victory in her mind. When Nynaeve thinks in FoH about facing Moghedien, she directly compares her strength to Moghedien's. Not much about skill.


If brute strength was her only consideration Egwene would have sent someone after angreal so they could face the Forsaken, or would have discussed much larger circles, instead she keeps it to 3 women. Even then, we have Cyndane v. Alivia as proof that skill trumps strength.
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The relative strength in the Power of Nynaeve vs Cadsuane vs Egwene/Elayne/Aviendha Sidious - 17/12/2009 03:32:03 PM 8502 Views
I assume you're referring to EFFECTIVE strength here... Shannow - 17/12/2009 04:27:53 PM 1698 Views
Re: I assume you're referring to EFFECTIVE strength here... Sidious - 17/12/2009 05:05:18 PM 1663 Views
Fair enough but the problem is... Shannow - 17/12/2009 05:13:39 PM 1478 Views
There's one thing that does suggest Lanfear is very dextrous... fionwe1987 - 17/12/2009 05:49:14 PM 1577 Views
Re: Fair enough but the problem is... Sidious - 17/12/2009 08:08:27 PM 1155 Views
Re: The relative strength in the Power of Nynaeve vs Cadsuane vs Egwene/Elayne/Aviendha darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 04:52:56 PM 1568 Views
Alivia's rings and chains angreal multiplies strength by 4 times or more... Shannow - 17/12/2009 04:57:17 PM 1457 Views
Indeed, and not only that Sidious - 17/12/2009 05:10:46 PM 1159 Views
Re: Alivia's rings and chains angreal multiplies strength by 4 times or more... darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 06:07:39 PM 1194 Views
Moiraine at 45 strength is way too high. She can't be that high. *NM* Logain - 17/12/2009 07:44:50 PM 774 Views
why? darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 07:57:37 PM 1268 Views
Re: why? Sidious - 17/12/2009 08:11:13 PM 1339 Views
I don't think there is one scale you can put both men and women on is the point darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 08:21:21 PM 1308 Views
and yet RJ does Sidious - 17/12/2009 08:27:39 PM 1225 Views
Re: and yet RJ does darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 09:49:20 PM 1092 Views
Re: and yet RJ does Sidious - 18/12/2009 04:20:16 AM 1158 Views
No more liberty than you are taking assuming only a woman like Graendal could do it! darius_sedai - 18/12/2009 05:08:04 PM 1307 Views
Re: No more liberty than you are taking assuming only a woman like Graendal could do it! Sidious - 19/12/2009 11:53:24 AM 1052 Views
Re: No more liberty than you are taking assuming only a woman like Graendal could do it! darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 05:12:47 PM 995 Views
Meh... Sidious - 19/12/2009 06:01:56 PM 996 Views
Re: Meh... darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 06:43:58 PM 1057 Views
Re: Meh... darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 06:46:03 PM 1344 Views
Re: The relative strength in the Power of Nynaeve vs Cadsuane vs Egwene/Elayne/Aviendha Sidious - 17/12/2009 05:07:28 PM 1273 Views
Re: The relative strength in the Power of Nynaeve vs Cadsuane vs Egwene/Elayne/Aviendha darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 06:24:12 PM 1181 Views
Let's work with your figures... Shannow - 17/12/2009 06:45:46 PM 1112 Views
Re: Let's work with your figures... darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 07:16:49 PM 1108 Views
You have a good point about Daigian and Semirhage. That may have been a BS mistake. *NM* Logain - 17/12/2009 07:50:25 PM 743 Views
Re: You have a good point about Daigian and Semirhage. That may have been a BS mistake. darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 07:59:13 PM 1215 Views
Still, it's created more questions than it has solved. Logain - 17/12/2009 08:13:26 PM 1231 Views
the obvious answer darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 10:06:33 PM 1070 Views
Re: You have a good point about Daigian and Semirhage. That may have been a BS mistake. Sidious - 17/12/2009 08:14:01 PM 1117 Views
Re: two women holding Nynaeve Logain - 17/12/2009 08:17:10 PM 1055 Views
Re: two women holding Nynaeve Sidious - 17/12/2009 08:19:34 PM 1233 Views
I personally think Nynaeve gained strength slower than most because of her block. Logain - 17/12/2009 08:30:44 PM 1316 Views
I think all the main characters were forced Sidious - 17/12/2009 08:38:41 PM 1206 Views
agreed! darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 10:01:37 PM 1131 Views
but we know as late as WH that she has not reached her full potential darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 09:50:12 PM 1140 Views
What? Where? *NM* Sidious - 18/12/2009 04:22:36 AM 1194 Views
I'll have to dig up the quote, apologies but I'm at work and don't have the books darius_sedai - 18/12/2009 05:00:20 PM 1124 Views
Sorry, Path of Daggers not Winter's Heart darius_sedai - 20/12/2009 03:32:33 AM 1079 Views
Don't links amplify stength? BlackAdder - 17/12/2009 10:26:12 PM 1026 Views
The opposite, actually. Phelix - 17/12/2009 10:36:51 PM 1124 Views
Gateway theory refutes this. The size of gateway is relevant to strength Logain - 17/12/2009 07:46:55 PM 1049 Views
Re: Gateway theory refutes this. The size of gateway is relevant to strength darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 07:55:38 PM 1235 Views
What do you think of the gap between Moghedien and Semirhage in relation to Logain - 17/12/2009 05:40:41 PM 1283 Views
It means even Moghedien is vastly stronger than the average modern Aes Sedai... Shannow - 17/12/2009 05:48:09 PM 1250 Views
Re: What do you think of the gap between Moghedien and Semirhage in relation to Sidious - 17/12/2009 08:15:58 PM 1169 Views
Agreed! *NM* Logain - 17/12/2009 08:19:08 PM 659 Views
Re: The relative strength in the Power of Nynaeve vs Cadsuane vs Egwene/Elayne/Aviendha RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/12/2009 06:47:23 PM 1216 Views
Except tthat Egwene herself says she has no chance against Moghedien... Shannow - 17/12/2009 06:53:18 PM 1188 Views
Re: Except tthat Egwene herself says she has no chance against Moghedien... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/12/2009 07:26:55 PM 1418 Views
uhm.... yes she knows Oberonus - 17/12/2009 08:04:08 PM 1266 Views
Re: uhm.... yes she knows RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/12/2009 10:24:17 PM 1143 Views
yup *NM* darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 10:49:51 PM 615 Views
Re: Except tthat Egwene herself says she has no chance against Moghedien... darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 07:28:00 PM 1223 Views
Re: Except tthat Egwene herself says she has no chance against Moghedien... Sidious - 17/12/2009 08:23:01 PM 1411 Views
Ishamael told her that she would never be strong enough to face him darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 09:52:47 PM 1163 Views
And Ishamael was killed be a shepherd and Bel'al balefired by a "weak" Aes Sedai. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/12/2009 10:33:41 PM 1101 Views
I hope that's not your standard for dueling Sidious - 18/12/2009 04:24:09 AM 1134 Views
what you expect a Channeler to announce themselves and darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 12:47:17 AM 1135 Views
How can we be certain Egwene was at full strength when she said that? Logain - 17/12/2009 07:58:39 PM 1062 Views
agreed darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 08:00:40 PM 1030 Views
Elayne says Egwene was at her full strength in TSR, and thus was stronger than she currently was. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/12/2009 10:25:31 PM 1000 Views
Elayne says Egwene was forced and was thus currently stronger darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 10:51:28 PM 1046 Views
Definitely TSR, because I re-read that book constantly - will try to find the section! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/12/2009 11:23:20 PM 1050 Views
Re: Definitely TSR, because I re-read that book constantly - will try to find the section! darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 11:25:31 PM 1072 Views
Didn't the glossary say that Cadsuane was not far behind Eg/El? *NM* Cannoli - 17/12/2009 08:05:32 PM 667 Views
I'll check *NM* Sidious - 17/12/2009 08:28:57 PM 638 Views
This thread has achieved absolutely nothing. When people don't accept quotes, what's the use... Shannow - 17/12/2009 10:22:45 PM 1190 Views
No people just interpret things differently darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 10:56:45 PM 992 Views
But you ignore RJ's own quotes... who're you to talk? fionwe1987 - 17/12/2009 11:13:40 PM 933 Views
I think they are secretly just trying to make Lanfear appear that much stronger *NM* darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 11:17:38 PM 597 Views
You also forget something. Phelix - 17/12/2009 11:36:50 PM 1026 Views
Re: You also forget something. darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 11:43:50 PM 1050 Views
Re: You also forget something. Phelix - 18/12/2009 02:09:08 AM 1077 Views
That has nothing to do with what I said... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 12:21:06 AM 1049 Views
Re: That has nothing to do with what I said... Sidious - 18/12/2009 01:28:53 PM 957 Views
Dude, prove it in a random sample, not in a skewed sample like "women who want to be Aes Sedai". fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 05:43:22 PM 985 Views
Show me a random sample in the series that we can use *NM* Sidious - 18/12/2009 06:45:08 PM 976 Views
I cannot. That's the point... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 08:33:38 PM 1004 Views
Re: I cannot. That's the point... Sidious - 19/12/2009 11:58:39 AM 1014 Views
Sorry, but no... fionwe1987 - 19/12/2009 06:23:41 PM 1050 Views
The One Power Bell Curve's average strength is not 50, it is more like 15... Shannow - 17/12/2009 11:41:48 PM 1522 Views
but you are the person quantifying the actual strength levels. darius_sedai - 18/12/2009 12:09:08 AM 1021 Views
Yes, Sidious' scale is a relative scale not an absolute one *NM* BlackAdder - 18/12/2009 12:23:25 AM 916 Views
In a Bell curve, mean=median=mode. I suppose that is untrue now? fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 12:37:47 AM 967 Views
Re: In a Bell curve, mean=median=mode. I suppose that is untrue now? BlackAdder - 18/12/2009 12:47:52 AM 1016 Views
What do you mean, relative scale? fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 12:53:29 AM 971 Views
Re: What do you mean, relative scale? BlackAdder - 18/12/2009 01:16:53 AM 908 Views
Re: What do you mean, relative scale? fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 01:40:33 AM 979 Views
OK, I have no interest in OP Strength, but you comments about statistics and bell curve got me BlackAdder - 18/12/2009 12:20:27 AM 1037 Views
1 to 100 works perfectly well as a range... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 12:47:44 AM 948 Views
Here is an example with an absolute scale, converted to relative BlackAdder - 18/12/2009 01:03:38 AM 1064 Views
The Tower is not the whole range of channeler population! fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 01:28:38 AM 1080 Views
Re: The Tower is not the whole range of channeler population! BlackAdder - 18/12/2009 02:03:00 AM 1146 Views
Re: The Tower is not the whole range of channeler population! fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 03:16:25 AM 1084 Views
You're right, and that proves my point - here are the calculations and the evidence... Shannow - 18/12/2009 07:51:26 AM 1068 Views
Dude, read up on some statistics, then we'll continue this debate... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 06:05:26 PM 978 Views
Explain one thing to me... Shannow - 18/12/2009 10:40:00 PM 1000 Views
Who said she's stronger than two very strong AS? Silviana can shield her alone! *NM* fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 11:01:01 PM 567 Views
Aviendha said so in FoH. It is a direct quote. Shannow - 18/12/2009 11:04:21 PM 959 Views
This is why I have a hard time with anyone using too many darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 12:22:40 AM 1005 Views
Can you provide the quote? fionwe1987 - 19/12/2009 06:24:40 PM 921 Views
Well, I was curious so I went and found it darius_sedai - 26/12/2009 08:59:46 PM 1099 Views
which is also suspect darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 12:04:14 AM 1002 Views
No it's not Sidious - 19/12/2009 12:04:21 PM 997 Views
we're in agreement darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 05:22:34 PM 944 Views
OK, the Tower AS don't fall into a bell-curve, then. BlackAdder - 18/12/2009 10:34:16 PM 1017 Views
So, RJ made that statement for what reason? fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 11:03:30 PM 991 Views
I don't think it's a lie BlackAdder - 18/12/2009 11:19:41 PM 1045 Views
Agreed Sidious - 18/12/2009 01:04:14 PM 986 Views
Re: But you ignore RJ's own quotes... who're you to talk? Sidious - 18/12/2009 04:31:53 AM 987 Views
Re: But you ignore RJ's own quotes... who're you to talk? fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 04:42:33 AM 952 Views
Re: But you ignore RJ's own quotes... who're you to talk? Sidious - 18/12/2009 01:04:39 PM 1006 Views
Bell curves CANNOT be skewed! fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 06:06:15 PM 1054 Views
I've discussed this before... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 01:06:07 AM 1051 Views
Re: I've discussed this before... Sidious - 18/12/2009 04:37:30 AM 1032 Views
Re: I've discussed this before... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 04:58:48 AM 1008 Views
Egwene + Lelaine + Romanda is weaker than one male Forsaken...according to Egwene herself... Shannow - 18/12/2009 07:02:28 AM 1044 Views
Why are you entertaining this? Sidious - 18/12/2009 01:19:25 PM 1018 Views
The other poster showed no proof that RJ's math was wrong. Read what he said again! *NM* fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 06:09:49 PM 610 Views
Verin's circle matched Granedal dude. And average strength does not mean great strength. fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 06:07:51 PM 1021 Views
Re: Egwene + Lelaine + Romanda is weaker than one male Forsaken...according to Egwene herself... darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 12:46:18 AM 1022 Views
I can't imagine it being about skill Sidious - 19/12/2009 12:06:42 PM 1032 Views
of course it's about skill darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 05:22:45 PM 1017 Views
Not it isn't! Sidious - 19/12/2009 05:52:02 PM 1042 Views
If she was only thinking about strength why then didn't she have a plan to add Sheriam darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 07:09:08 PM 967 Views
I always thought that without her angreal... everynametaken - 18/12/2009 06:27:07 AM 1098 Views
Egwene, Elayne, and Aviendha are equally matched. Heiko - 18/12/2009 07:47:03 AM 1242 Views
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