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Well, the Aes Sedai are the only group that we have detailed strength info about... Shannow Send a noteboard - 18/12/2009 10:26:48 PM
Perhaps the distribution would be more Gaussian (bell-shaped) when you consider the whole possible population of channelers rather than just the AS. This is purely speculative, but since in the AoL every possible channeler was found and trained to potential, then perhaps the strength distribution would have been perfectly Gaussian in the AoL.


And the evidence in the books clearly show that the average Aes Sedai isn't close to 50% as strong as the strongest woman.

Heck, the average Aes Sedai is shown to be less than 50% as strong as Egwene.

So I am perfectly happy to accept a perfect Bell Curve in the Age of Legends. But that wouldn't apply to modern channelers.

I agree with you that the Aes Sedai are not distributed around 50%.

I do not agree, at least not from the evidence I've seen, that if you included all modern channelers the distribution would still not be at 50% mean. I think to make a proper survey you would need to count all potential channelers who have never been trained, all Sea Folk, all damane, and any other channeling groups I've forgotten.

(Note 1: I tried to make this point in my first post, but I think bringing up the AoL was a distraction.
Note 2: My count is highly speculative, but I'm not saying this distribution is true, merely possible.)

So to reiterate, if you're only arguing about AS, then I agree. They are, on average, pretty weak. If you're expanding the argument to all female channelers of the Age, then I'm not so sure.


Anything involving non Aes Sedai channelers would for the most part be pure speculation, so I can't really comment on them, other than to say that there are 5 modern Forsaken strength women, and they are evenly distributed across the various channeling populations:

1 Aes Sedai - Nynaeve
1 Aiel - Someryn
1 Sea Folk - Talaan
1 Seanchan - Alivia
1 random non Aes Sedai Randlander - Sharina

So, if you look at the number of channelers in each group, the proportions seem to be more or less the same.

Out of 1000 Aes Sedai we have one
Out of 2000-3000 Wise Ones we have one - who says she has never met another Wise One close to her strength.
Out of thousands of Sea Folk we have one.
Out of the known damane we have one, although this should increase proportionately as more damane are examined. Nevertheless, as long as the proportion holds true, then it doesn't change the average strength in the population.

Anyway, the point is, we have zero evidence that other channeling groups are any stronger on average than the modern Aes Sedai are.

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The One Power Bell Curve: Proof that it is not centered on 50% of the strongest channeler's strength Shannow - 18/12/2009 08:37:55 AM 1315 Views
I always thought the curve was one sided Asha'man Warder - 18/12/2009 01:17:32 PM 723 Views
The Curve only refers to the channeling population, not to non-channelers. Shannow - 18/12/2009 01:56:25 PM 726 Views
I would say that your sample is flawed. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/12/2009 05:02:02 PM 804 Views
well said *NM* darius_sedai - 18/12/2009 05:12:40 PM 378 Views
It doesn't matter... Shannow - 18/12/2009 10:02:38 PM 658 Views
But, it sort of does. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/12/2009 10:43:08 PM 706 Views
So you're saying that no modern Aes Sedai are even of average strength? Shannow - 18/12/2009 10:51:01 PM 784 Views
Are you sure it's the same bell curve from the AoL? BlackAdder - 18/12/2009 11:11:19 PM 749 Views
The Tower is restricted to the middle... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 05:35:03 PM 872 Views
Two things... Shannow - 18/12/2009 09:28:25 PM 718 Views
The culling theory... Phelix - 18/12/2009 09:36:34 PM 646 Views
The culling theory applies to the ENTIRE population, not just Aes Sedai... Shannow - 18/12/2009 09:42:31 PM 770 Views
Yes, but Aes Sedai take it to a new level... Phelix - 18/12/2009 09:48:59 PM 833 Views
Re: Yes, but Aes Sedai take it to a new level... Shadowkiller - 18/12/2009 10:06:15 PM 639 Views
Several more things... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 11:26:19 PM 815 Views
You don't understand your own model... Shannow - 18/12/2009 11:38:05 PM 823 Views
So RJ was wrong about Bell Curve distribution? darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 06:03:24 PM 731 Views
Re: So RJ was wrong about Bell Curve distribution? Sidious - 19/12/2009 06:10:52 PM 688 Views
Its simple really... fionwe1987 - 19/12/2009 06:15:23 PM 702 Views
So, Aviendha trumps RJ? A woman who, as late as tGS, doesn't know what she's doing with the OP? fionwe1987 - 19/12/2009 06:12:42 PM 711 Views
Age-Related Sample Bias Shadowkiller - 18/12/2009 06:41:03 PM 674 Views
I have no problem with that...but it implies that the average woman today isn't at 50% of Lanfear... Shannow - 18/12/2009 09:46:00 PM 799 Views
Partially agreed... Shadowkiller - 18/12/2009 10:13:46 PM 681 Views
Well, the Aes Sedai are the only group that we have detailed strength info about... Shannow - 18/12/2009 10:26:48 PM 787 Views
Sharina is AS ... she'd be dead in a few years if she hadn't gone to the Tower *NM* darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 01:08:20 AM 819 Views
A thought that occured to me, and I'd like your opinion... Phelix - 18/12/2009 07:38:29 PM 669 Views
Well Sharina isn't a sparker and she's the strongest AS darius_sedai - 18/12/2009 07:57:17 PM 676 Views
Yes... Phelix - 18/12/2009 08:01:57 PM 766 Views
Is it just my bad memory or is one of the wondergirls not a sparker? Gher - 18/12/2009 10:12:59 PM 661 Views
I think it's just a bad memory... Phelix - 18/12/2009 10:19:25 PM 656 Views
Easier sulution, and real example. amirebram - 18/12/2009 10:03:20 PM 709 Views
And that is indeed the solution I feel most comfortable with... Shannow - 18/12/2009 10:08:40 PM 684 Views
Re: And that is indeed the solution I feel most comfortable with... Sidious - 19/12/2009 11:39:31 AM 923 Views
Agree, but a little more curvy is better amirebram - 19/12/2009 11:17:16 PM 613 Views
*facepalm* BlackAdder - 18/12/2009 10:13:16 PM 712 Views
That's just the normalized value graphed on a log scale. amirebram - 19/12/2009 11:20:41 PM 669 Views
Dude, Seriously? Shadowkiller - 18/12/2009 10:19:25 PM 708 Views
Indeed, and that's why I propose that... Shannow - 18/12/2009 10:31:23 PM 689 Views
So RJ used two separate scales, one actual one relative, to explain the same thing? fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 11:33:20 PM 620 Views
Yes, "Bell Curve" does not mean Gausian. Or normal distribution. amirebram - 19/12/2009 11:24:10 PM 670 Views
I'm sorry, but I've never heard of a non-Gaussian bell curve. Can you prove its existence? *NM* fionwe1987 - 20/12/2009 03:24:22 AM 397 Views
Maybe people in my field just use the term in a non-technical way. We do things with ... amirebram - 21/12/2009 07:24:43 PM 627 Views
It does to RJ Shadowkiller - 20/12/2009 03:12:30 PM 754 Views
Yes, "Bell Curve" does not mean Gausian. Or normal distribution. amirebram - 19/12/2009 11:24:11 PM 644 Views
That's because outliers in IQ tests are excluded form the curve. *NM* fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 11:31:23 PM 399 Views
Really?!?! then what is the definition of a IQ of 200? amirebram - 19/12/2009 11:28:18 PM 982 Views
You can have IQ's above that... fionwe1987 - 20/12/2009 05:09:44 AM 693 Views
I said that in the other post and was half torn to pieces *NM* Sidious - 19/12/2009 11:38:25 AM 348 Views
Eh. Ignore the IQ value and draw it on a linear weight scale amirebram - 19/12/2009 11:26:23 PM 659 Views
Re: The One Power Bell Curve: Proof that it is not centered on 50% of the strongest channeler's stre Kieran - 19/12/2009 06:02:34 PM 627 Views
I like this idea Shadowkiller - 20/12/2009 04:01:28 PM 835 Views
Accidental Post *NM* Shadowkiller - 20/12/2009 07:11:09 PM 395 Views
Mathmatically this is very close to the system I proposed in another thread darius_sedai - 27/12/2009 01:23:51 AM 633 Views
Re: The One Power Bell Curve: taura-tierno - 27/12/2009 10:05:33 PM 775 Views
What makes you think Alviarin is "middling"? darius_sedai - 27/12/2009 10:28:13 PM 984 Views
Re: What makes you think Alviarin is "middling"? taura-tierno - 28/12/2009 03:19:14 PM 678 Views
Re: What makes you think Alviarin is "middling"? darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 03:30:44 PM 876 Views
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