Wheel of Time Messageboard: Don't links amplify stength? by BlackAdder

I assume you're referring to EFFECTIVE strength here... Shannow - 17/12/2009 04:27:53 PM 1596 Views

Re: I assume you're referring to EFFECTIVE strength here... Sidious - 17/12/2009 05:05:18 PM 1586 Views

Fair enough but the problem is... Shannow - 17/12/2009 05:13:39 PM 1390 Views

There's one thing that does suggest Lanfear is very dextrous... fionwe1987 - 17/12/2009 05:49:14 PM 1507 Views

Re: Fair enough but the problem is... Sidious - 17/12/2009 08:08:27 PM 1076 Views

Re: The relative strength in the Power of Nynaeve vs Cadsuane vs Egwene/Elayne/Aviendha darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 04:52:56 PM 1484 Views

Alivia's rings and chains angreal multiplies strength by 4 times or more... Shannow - 17/12/2009 04:57:17 PM 1365 Views

Indeed, and not only that Sidious - 17/12/2009 05:10:46 PM 1070 Views

Re: Alivia's rings and chains angreal multiplies strength by 4 times or more... darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 06:07:39 PM 1143 Views

Moiraine at 45 strength is way too high. She can't be that high. *NM* Logain - 17/12/2009 07:44:50 PM 751 Views

why? darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 07:57:37 PM 1193 Views

Re: why? Sidious - 17/12/2009 08:11:13 PM 1268 Views

I don't think there is one scale you can put both men and women on is the point darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 08:21:21 PM 1236 Views

and yet RJ does Sidious - 17/12/2009 08:27:39 PM 1144 Views

Re: and yet RJ does darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 09:49:20 PM 1023 Views

Re: and yet RJ does Sidious - 18/12/2009 04:20:16 AM 1114 Views

No more liberty than you are taking assuming only a woman like Graendal could do it! darius_sedai - 18/12/2009 05:08:04 PM 1228 Views

Re: No more liberty than you are taking assuming only a woman like Graendal could do it! Sidious - 19/12/2009 11:53:24 AM 971 Views

Re: No more liberty than you are taking assuming only a woman like Graendal could do it! darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 05:12:47 PM 924 Views

Meh... Sidious - 19/12/2009 06:01:56 PM 931 Views

Re: Meh... darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 06:43:58 PM 981 Views

Re: Meh... darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 06:46:03 PM 1240 Views

Re: The relative strength in the Power of Nynaeve vs Cadsuane vs Egwene/Elayne/Aviendha Sidious - 17/12/2009 05:07:28 PM 1191 Views

Re: The relative strength in the Power of Nynaeve vs Cadsuane vs Egwene/Elayne/Aviendha darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 06:24:12 PM 1099 Views

Let's work with your figures... Shannow - 17/12/2009 06:45:46 PM 1036 Views

Re: Let's work with your figures... darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 07:16:49 PM 1030 Views

You have a good point about Daigian and Semirhage. That may have been a BS mistake. *NM* Logain - 17/12/2009 07:50:25 PM 710 Views

Re: You have a good point about Daigian and Semirhage. That may have been a BS mistake. darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 07:59:13 PM 1131 Views

Still, it's created more questions than it has solved. Logain - 17/12/2009 08:13:26 PM 1160 Views

the obvious answer darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 10:06:33 PM 1021 Views

Re: You have a good point about Daigian and Semirhage. That may have been a BS mistake. Sidious - 17/12/2009 08:14:01 PM 1045 Views

Re: two women holding Nynaeve Logain - 17/12/2009 08:17:10 PM 976 Views

Re: two women holding Nynaeve Sidious - 17/12/2009 08:19:34 PM 1156 Views

I personally think Nynaeve gained strength slower than most because of her block. Logain - 17/12/2009 08:30:44 PM 1231 Views

I think all the main characters were forced Sidious - 17/12/2009 08:38:41 PM 1137 Views

agreed! darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 10:01:37 PM 1052 Views

but we know as late as WH that she has not reached her full potential darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 09:50:12 PM 1061 Views

What? Where? *NM* Sidious - 18/12/2009 04:22:36 AM 1121 Views

I'll have to dig up the quote, apologies but I'm at work and don't have the books darius_sedai - 18/12/2009 05:00:20 PM 1040 Views

Sorry, Path of Daggers not Winter's Heart darius_sedai - 20/12/2009 03:32:33 AM 1018 Views

Don't links amplify stength? BlackAdder - 17/12/2009 10:26:12 PM 957 Views

The opposite, actually. Phelix - 17/12/2009 10:36:51 PM 1060 Views

Gateway theory refutes this. The size of gateway is relevant to strength Logain - 17/12/2009 07:46:55 PM 969 Views

Re: Gateway theory refutes this. The size of gateway is relevant to strength darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 07:55:38 PM 1157 Views

What do you think of the gap between Moghedien and Semirhage in relation to Logain - 17/12/2009 05:40:41 PM 1191 Views

It means even Moghedien is vastly stronger than the average modern Aes Sedai... Shannow - 17/12/2009 05:48:09 PM 1178 Views

Re: What do you think of the gap between Moghedien and Semirhage in relation to Sidious - 17/12/2009 08:15:58 PM 1091 Views

Agreed! *NM* Logain - 17/12/2009 08:19:08 PM 631 Views

Re: The relative strength in the Power of Nynaeve vs Cadsuane vs Egwene/Elayne/Aviendha RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/12/2009 06:47:23 PM 1166 Views

Except tthat Egwene herself says she has no chance against Moghedien... Shannow - 17/12/2009 06:53:18 PM 1119 Views

Re: Except tthat Egwene herself says she has no chance against Moghedien... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/12/2009 07:26:55 PM 1344 Views

uhm.... yes she knows Oberonus - 17/12/2009 08:04:08 PM 1184 Views

Re: uhm.... yes she knows RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/12/2009 10:24:17 PM 1070 Views

yup *NM* darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 10:49:51 PM 587 Views

Re: Except tthat Egwene herself says she has no chance against Moghedien... darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 07:28:00 PM 1147 Views

Re: Except tthat Egwene herself says she has no chance against Moghedien... Sidious - 17/12/2009 08:23:01 PM 1335 Views

Ishamael told her that she would never be strong enough to face him darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 09:52:47 PM 1088 Views

And Ishamael was killed be a shepherd and Bel'al balefired by a "weak" Aes Sedai. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/12/2009 10:33:41 PM 1025 Views

I hope that's not your standard for dueling Sidious - 18/12/2009 04:24:09 AM 1056 Views

what you expect a Channeler to announce themselves and darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 12:47:17 AM 1063 Views

How can we be certain Egwene was at full strength when she said that? Logain - 17/12/2009 07:58:39 PM 987 Views

agreed darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 08:00:40 PM 949 Views

Elayne says Egwene was at her full strength in TSR, and thus was stronger than she currently was. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/12/2009 10:25:31 PM 930 Views

Elayne says Egwene was forced and was thus currently stronger darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 10:51:28 PM 971 Views

Definitely TSR, because I re-read that book constantly - will try to find the section! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/12/2009 11:23:20 PM 1002 Views

Re: Definitely TSR, because I re-read that book constantly - will try to find the section! darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 11:25:31 PM 1004 Views

Didn't the glossary say that Cadsuane was not far behind Eg/El? *NM* Cannoli - 17/12/2009 08:05:32 PM 637 Views

I'll check *NM* Sidious - 17/12/2009 08:28:57 PM 606 Views

This thread has achieved absolutely nothing. When people don't accept quotes, what's the use... Shannow - 17/12/2009 10:22:45 PM 1114 Views

No people just interpret things differently darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 10:56:45 PM 921 Views

But you ignore RJ's own quotes... who're you to talk? fionwe1987 - 17/12/2009 11:13:40 PM 864 Views

I think they are secretly just trying to make Lanfear appear that much stronger

*NM* darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 11:17:38 PM 569 Views

You also forget something. Phelix - 17/12/2009 11:36:50 PM 953 Views

Re: You also forget something. darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 11:43:50 PM 978 Views

Re: You also forget something. Phelix - 18/12/2009 02:09:08 AM 1001 Views

That has nothing to do with what I said... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 12:21:06 AM 963 Views

Re: That has nothing to do with what I said... Sidious - 18/12/2009 01:28:53 PM 880 Views

Dude, prove it in a random sample, not in a skewed sample like "women who want to be Aes Sedai". fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 05:43:22 PM 922 Views

Show me a random sample in the series that we can use *NM* Sidious - 18/12/2009 06:45:08 PM 903 Views

I cannot. That's the point... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 08:33:38 PM 930 Views

Re: I cannot. That's the point... Sidious - 19/12/2009 11:58:39 AM 935 Views

Sorry, but no... fionwe1987 - 19/12/2009 06:23:41 PM 973 Views

The One Power Bell Curve's average strength is not 50, it is more like 15... Shannow - 17/12/2009 11:41:48 PM 1454 Views

but you are the person quantifying the actual strength levels. darius_sedai - 18/12/2009 12:09:08 AM 937 Views

Yes, Sidious' scale is a relative scale not an absolute one *NM* BlackAdder - 18/12/2009 12:23:25 AM 842 Views

In a Bell curve, mean=median=mode. I suppose that is untrue now? fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 12:37:47 AM 880 Views

Re: In a Bell curve, mean=median=mode. I suppose that is untrue now? BlackAdder - 18/12/2009 12:47:52 AM 934 Views

What do you mean, relative scale? fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 12:53:29 AM 898 Views

Re: What do you mean, relative scale? BlackAdder - 18/12/2009 01:16:53 AM 836 Views

Re: What do you mean, relative scale? fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 01:40:33 AM 905 Views

OK, I have no interest in OP Strength, but you comments about statistics and bell curve got me BlackAdder - 18/12/2009 12:20:27 AM 971 Views

1 to 100 works perfectly well as a range... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 12:47:44 AM 905 Views

Here is an example with an absolute scale, converted to relative BlackAdder - 18/12/2009 01:03:38 AM 983 Views

The Tower is not the whole range of channeler population! fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 01:28:38 AM 1004 Views

Re: The Tower is not the whole range of channeler population! BlackAdder - 18/12/2009 02:03:00 AM 1068 Views

Re: The Tower is not the whole range of channeler population! fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 03:16:25 AM 1005 Views

You're right, and that proves my point - here are the calculations and the evidence... Shannow - 18/12/2009 07:51:26 AM 982 Views

Dude, read up on some statistics, then we'll continue this debate... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 06:05:26 PM 910 Views

Explain one thing to me... Shannow - 18/12/2009 10:40:00 PM 925 Views

Who said she's stronger than two very strong AS? Silviana can shield her alone! *NM* fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 11:01:01 PM 542 Views

Aviendha said so in FoH. It is a direct quote. Shannow - 18/12/2009 11:04:21 PM 885 Views

This is why I have a hard time with anyone using too many darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 12:22:40 AM 935 Views

Can you provide the quote? fionwe1987 - 19/12/2009 06:24:40 PM 844 Views

Well, I was curious so I went and found it darius_sedai - 26/12/2009 08:59:46 PM 1024 Views

which is also suspect darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 12:04:14 AM 946 Views

No it's not Sidious - 19/12/2009 12:04:21 PM 918 Views

we're in agreement darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 05:22:34 PM 868 Views

OK, the Tower AS don't fall into a bell-curve, then. BlackAdder - 18/12/2009 10:34:16 PM 948 Views

So, RJ made that statement for what reason? fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 11:03:30 PM 917 Views

I don't think it's a lie BlackAdder - 18/12/2009 11:19:41 PM 969 Views

Agreed Sidious - 18/12/2009 01:04:14 PM 924 Views

Re: But you ignore RJ's own quotes... who're you to talk? Sidious - 18/12/2009 04:31:53 AM 905 Views

Re: But you ignore RJ's own quotes... who're you to talk? fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 04:42:33 AM 880 Views

Re: But you ignore RJ's own quotes... who're you to talk? Sidious - 18/12/2009 01:04:39 PM 926 Views

Bell curves CANNOT be skewed! fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 06:06:15 PM 983 Views

I've discussed this before... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 01:06:07 AM 975 Views

Re: I've discussed this before... Sidious - 18/12/2009 04:37:30 AM 950 Views

Re: I've discussed this before... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 04:58:48 AM 929 Views

Egwene + Lelaine + Romanda is weaker than one male Forsaken...according to Egwene herself... Shannow - 18/12/2009 07:02:28 AM 961 Views

Why are you entertaining this? Sidious - 18/12/2009 01:19:25 PM 940 Views

The other poster showed no proof that RJ's math was wrong. Read what he said again! *NM* fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 06:09:49 PM 585 Views

Verin's circle matched Granedal dude. And average strength does not mean great strength. fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 06:07:51 PM 951 Views

Re: Egwene + Lelaine + Romanda is weaker than one male Forsaken...according to Egwene herself... darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 12:46:18 AM 954 Views

I can't imagine it being about skill Sidious - 19/12/2009 12:06:42 PM 954 Views

of course it's about skill darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 05:22:45 PM 943 Views

Not it isn't! Sidious - 19/12/2009 05:52:02 PM 974 Views

If she was only thinking about strength why then didn't she have a plan to add Sheriam darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 07:09:08 PM 895 Views

I always thought that without her angreal... everynametaken - 18/12/2009 06:27:07 AM 1055 Views

Egwene, Elayne, and Aviendha are equally matched. Heiko - 18/12/2009 07:47:03 AM 1178 Views

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