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Hey Mark. Phelix Send a noteboard - 17/12/2009 10:00:58 PM
Hi Jon

1. I disliked how quickly Semirhage was killed. RJ spent how many books building her up into practically a nightmare... then she cries because she gets humiliated and then dies in a puff of glittering dust? I was not pleased. I expected an epic duel between Semirhage and Nynaeve... evil Healer gone bad against cranky Healer gone good.


It's funny because Semirhage was one of my favourite Forsaken, I found her death to be appropriate. The scene is very powerful - she drives Rand almost mad with the male a'dam, and she uses her sadism at its maximum, before the True Power and balefire are wielded. It's all very impressive.

And we got none of that... she latched the collar on Rand, had Elza kill some nobody Aes Sedai, and then tried to make Rand kill Min... and poof, she's gone.


Daigian was very special to me No really, I thought she was an interesting Aes Sedai. I was sad she died.

2. Graendal... pretty much the same problem I had with the treatment of Semirhage.

Honestly, with these two, it almost felt like RJ/BS realized they couldn't wrap up the book with that many Forsaken running around, so they make Moridin tell Rand about Balefire permanently removing Forsaken from the playing field... and suddenly, wham, bam, thank you Rand, a few more Forsaken are gone.


I've always felt this was inevitable, with thirteen antagonists and several reincarnations. At some stage they're going to be disposed of quickly.

3. Mesaana. I liked that Verin revealed that she was in the Tower... but we never got any closure as to who she was. We never got to have the big reveal... and unless she appears as a damane in the next part of the last book, we never will.


I feel that this has been dragged out for way too long, but the same can be said of most things in this series.

1. A visit with Verin. That scene was perfect... the shock on Egwene, the fact that you were still guessing until Verin connected all the dots for you, and the way she died. It brought to mind Socrates taking his own poison knowing it was for the greater good. Verin gets mad props from Phelix.

2. Egwene's throw down with the Seanchan. In fact, I've been so impatient to finish the whole Egwene/White Tower Split story line, that all of her scenes made me smile, clap, and/or cheer.


Agreed! Great scenes.

3. Faile and Masema... on the one hand, it was sad to see such an interesting character just disappear... but on the other, it made Faile just a bit more badass in my mind.


After rereading the series, I've discovered what an underhand person Faile is. Not likable at all really. But married to a moron, so it's all good.

So, would any of you like to share your favorites and dislikes?


I liked the whole book - I thought it was excellent. I even liked Gawyn, and usually I hate him.

The character I disliked the most was Rand. His dark side was irritating beyond belief. I was praying for a Forsaken to shield him and beat him up because his cold arrogance, and silent stares at his 'allies' were getting to be too much. I think he's done a good about turn, but I still think he's been a huge whiney little boy who feels sorry for himself for no good reason.
I was Phelix on wotmania, I will always be Phelix in the "real" world, and now I am Phelix on RAFO.

You will make all kinds of mistakes; but as long as you are generous and true and also fierce you cannot hurt the world or even seriously distress her.- Churchill

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I finished tGS last night... and really had to come back to you all. Phelix - 09/12/2009 02:11:05 AM 1499 Views
You bring up some good points BlackAdder - 09/12/2009 03:20:37 AM 957 Views
What if Verin really WAS Black? Lord Haart - 09/12/2009 03:32:07 PM 780 Views
Pretty much agree with you. Great Lord of Chaos - 09/12/2009 03:21:08 AM 740 Views
Hey, long time no see. Glad you're back! *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2009 03:28:50 AM 394 Views
Good to see you too, F-T. *NM* Phelix - 17/12/2009 09:58:26 PM 274 Views
Silly Verin! She did not need to die. Datakim - 09/12/2009 03:53:23 AM 845 Views
Re: Silly Verin! She did not need to die. TheUltimateReality - 09/12/2009 06:11:02 AM 737 Views
And does she know that Stilling breaks the Oaths? *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2009 06:16:54 AM 327 Views
She should. Some of the Aes Sedai who swore to Rand had been Stilled and then Restored by Flinn. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/12/2009 03:18:10 PM 712 Views
Then, wouldn't the BA/Shadow just kill her off? I think it'd be kind of obvious what she did. *NM* Fox and Ravens - 09/12/2009 03:23:05 PM 476 Views
I think that's beyond the BA's capabilities. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/12/2009 03:48:03 PM 594 Views
Doesn't mean they experimented with it. Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2009 08:48:23 PM 655 Views
Rebels had no reason to research a way to break the oaths. Verin did. Datakim - 10/12/2009 02:00:21 AM 691 Views
You're going at it upside-down. Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2009 02:33:41 AM 646 Views
Verin should have figured it out Datakim - 10/12/2009 03:03:14 AM 641 Views
Why? Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2009 04:15:45 AM 637 Views
I was just rereading that section yesterday.... Light in the Night - 10/12/2009 10:52:23 AM 824 Views
It all seems intuitively obvious to me! Datakim - 10/12/2009 07:58:46 PM 782 Views
Will you please look at your argument? Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2009 09:40:42 PM 713 Views
Re: It all seems intuitively obvious to me! Light in the Night - 11/12/2009 07:38:17 AM 703 Views
The damn Oath Rod! Datakim - 12/12/2009 01:32:47 AM 849 Views
Just having motivation is not enough redhand - 11/12/2009 03:52:40 PM 727 Views
Agreed, you also need a working brain. Where did Verin's go? Datakim - 12/12/2009 12:54:17 AM 542 Views
I don't think those would work rAndy aL - 09/12/2009 07:03:38 AM 702 Views
She should and could have found a better way. Datakim - 09/12/2009 07:41:28 AM 701 Views
I agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/12/2009 03:16:27 PM 561 Views
Re: She should and could have found a better way. rAndy aL - 10/12/2009 12:13:40 AM 659 Views
Re: She should and could have found a better way. Datakim - 10/12/2009 02:30:14 AM 636 Views
Re: Silly Verin! She did not need to die. Gerbeaud - 09/12/2009 08:44:31 PM 733 Views
There is also this small problem of Tower Law redhand - 10/12/2009 08:24:55 AM 537 Views
I always thought Masema was an irritating distraction and was glad he was killed quickly. Tom - 09/12/2009 03:53:44 AM 703 Views
Yes, Masema was a bore. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/12/2009 03:13:40 PM 703 Views
Re: I always thought Masema was an irritating distraction and was glad he was killed quickly. @my - 09/12/2009 04:21:35 PM 861 Views
Agreed. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 09/12/2009 09:25:02 PM 367 Views
Sidious - 09/12/2009 04:44:10 AM 741 Views
Re: Gerbeaud - 09/12/2009 08:13:24 PM 733 Views
Hey Mark. Phelix - 17/12/2009 10:00:58 PM 666 Views
Great to see you again! vandevere - 09/12/2009 05:01:01 AM 857 Views
Yep, and Sheriam ended up losing a finger or two in the process. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/12/2009 03:49:45 PM 670 Views
Why do you think we'll never see Mesaana closure? *NM* lord-of-shadow - 09/12/2009 06:07:08 AM 460 Views
Re: Why do you think we'll never see Mesaana closure? TheUltimateReality - 09/12/2009 06:13:22 AM 611 Views
It's great to see you around again! Seriana Sedai - 09/12/2009 07:06:45 AM 707 Views
:'( j-whitt987 - 09/12/2009 11:29:03 PM 646 Views
Good to see you too. Phelix - 17/12/2009 10:01:57 PM 633 Views
Re: Good to see you too. Seriana Sedai - 19/12/2009 06:12:11 AM 612 Views
Hee... gotta love zoos. Phelix - 19/12/2009 06:18:35 AM 576 Views
Mine added up to many vet bills this week. Seriana Sedai - 19/12/2009 07:22:40 AM 578 Views
Eeeep! Bills are not good! Phelix - 19/12/2009 07:24:36 AM 585 Views
Seriana Sedai - 20/12/2009 06:46:38 AM 651 Views
LMAO! Phelix - 20/12/2009 08:25:02 AM 483 Views
Seriana Sedai - 21/12/2009 07:41:18 AM 583 Views
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