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What do you think of the gap between Moghedien and Semirhage in relation to Logain Send a noteboard - 17/12/2009 05:40:41 PM
I've always found Rand's comment to be a little frustrating. I mean, Moghedien combined with 2 AS is a totally different scenario than Semirhage combined with 2 AS...isn't it? Rand's comment could be interpreted to mean there isn't a huge gap between Semirhage and Moghedien.

What do you think of the gap between Moghedien and Semirhage in relation to Rand's comment that he'd only be in trouble against three women if one of the women was Moghedien or Semirhage.

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The relative strength in the Power of Nynaeve vs Cadsuane vs Egwene/Elayne/Aviendha Sidious - 17/12/2009 03:32:03 PM 8268 Views
I assume you're referring to EFFECTIVE strength here... Shannow - 17/12/2009 04:27:53 PM 1603 Views
Re: I assume you're referring to EFFECTIVE strength here... Sidious - 17/12/2009 05:05:18 PM 1589 Views
Fair enough but the problem is... Shannow - 17/12/2009 05:13:39 PM 1396 Views
There's one thing that does suggest Lanfear is very dextrous... fionwe1987 - 17/12/2009 05:49:14 PM 1515 Views
Re: Fair enough but the problem is... Sidious - 17/12/2009 08:08:27 PM 1082 Views
Re: The relative strength in the Power of Nynaeve vs Cadsuane vs Egwene/Elayne/Aviendha darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 04:52:56 PM 1489 Views
Alivia's rings and chains angreal multiplies strength by 4 times or more... Shannow - 17/12/2009 04:57:17 PM 1371 Views
Indeed, and not only that Sidious - 17/12/2009 05:10:46 PM 1075 Views
Re: Alivia's rings and chains angreal multiplies strength by 4 times or more... darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 06:07:39 PM 1149 Views
Moiraine at 45 strength is way too high. She can't be that high. *NM* Logain - 17/12/2009 07:44:50 PM 755 Views
why? darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 07:57:37 PM 1196 Views
Re: why? Sidious - 17/12/2009 08:11:13 PM 1271 Views
I don't think there is one scale you can put both men and women on is the point darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 08:21:21 PM 1240 Views
and yet RJ does Sidious - 17/12/2009 08:27:39 PM 1148 Views
Re: and yet RJ does darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 09:49:20 PM 1027 Views
Re: and yet RJ does Sidious - 18/12/2009 04:20:16 AM 1117 Views
No more liberty than you are taking assuming only a woman like Graendal could do it! darius_sedai - 18/12/2009 05:08:04 PM 1233 Views
Re: No more liberty than you are taking assuming only a woman like Graendal could do it! Sidious - 19/12/2009 11:53:24 AM 977 Views
Re: No more liberty than you are taking assuming only a woman like Graendal could do it! darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 05:12:47 PM 929 Views
Meh... Sidious - 19/12/2009 06:01:56 PM 935 Views
Re: Meh... darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 06:43:58 PM 984 Views
Re: Meh... darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 06:46:03 PM 1245 Views
Re: The relative strength in the Power of Nynaeve vs Cadsuane vs Egwene/Elayne/Aviendha Sidious - 17/12/2009 05:07:28 PM 1196 Views
Re: The relative strength in the Power of Nynaeve vs Cadsuane vs Egwene/Elayne/Aviendha darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 06:24:12 PM 1107 Views
Let's work with your figures... Shannow - 17/12/2009 06:45:46 PM 1042 Views
Re: Let's work with your figures... darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 07:16:49 PM 1034 Views
You have a good point about Daigian and Semirhage. That may have been a BS mistake. *NM* Logain - 17/12/2009 07:50:25 PM 712 Views
Re: You have a good point about Daigian and Semirhage. That may have been a BS mistake. darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 07:59:13 PM 1137 Views
Still, it's created more questions than it has solved. Logain - 17/12/2009 08:13:26 PM 1165 Views
the obvious answer darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 10:06:33 PM 1025 Views
Re: You have a good point about Daigian and Semirhage. That may have been a BS mistake. Sidious - 17/12/2009 08:14:01 PM 1048 Views
Re: two women holding Nynaeve Logain - 17/12/2009 08:17:10 PM 980 Views
Re: two women holding Nynaeve Sidious - 17/12/2009 08:19:34 PM 1161 Views
I personally think Nynaeve gained strength slower than most because of her block. Logain - 17/12/2009 08:30:44 PM 1235 Views
I think all the main characters were forced Sidious - 17/12/2009 08:38:41 PM 1142 Views
agreed! darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 10:01:37 PM 1058 Views
but we know as late as WH that she has not reached her full potential darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 09:50:12 PM 1065 Views
What? Where? *NM* Sidious - 18/12/2009 04:22:36 AM 1123 Views
I'll have to dig up the quote, apologies but I'm at work and don't have the books darius_sedai - 18/12/2009 05:00:20 PM 1045 Views
Sorry, Path of Daggers not Winter's Heart darius_sedai - 20/12/2009 03:32:33 AM 1023 Views
Don't links amplify stength? BlackAdder - 17/12/2009 10:26:12 PM 960 Views
The opposite, actually. Phelix - 17/12/2009 10:36:51 PM 1065 Views
Gateway theory refutes this. The size of gateway is relevant to strength Logain - 17/12/2009 07:46:55 PM 974 Views
Re: Gateway theory refutes this. The size of gateway is relevant to strength darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 07:55:38 PM 1159 Views
What do you think of the gap between Moghedien and Semirhage in relation to Logain - 17/12/2009 05:40:41 PM 1199 Views
It means even Moghedien is vastly stronger than the average modern Aes Sedai... Shannow - 17/12/2009 05:48:09 PM 1183 Views
Re: What do you think of the gap between Moghedien and Semirhage in relation to Sidious - 17/12/2009 08:15:58 PM 1095 Views
Agreed! *NM* Logain - 17/12/2009 08:19:08 PM 634 Views
Re: The relative strength in the Power of Nynaeve vs Cadsuane vs Egwene/Elayne/Aviendha RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/12/2009 06:47:23 PM 1170 Views
Except tthat Egwene herself says she has no chance against Moghedien... Shannow - 17/12/2009 06:53:18 PM 1121 Views
Re: Except tthat Egwene herself says she has no chance against Moghedien... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/12/2009 07:26:55 PM 1348 Views
uhm.... yes she knows Oberonus - 17/12/2009 08:04:08 PM 1187 Views
Re: uhm.... yes she knows RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/12/2009 10:24:17 PM 1073 Views
yup *NM* darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 10:49:51 PM 589 Views
Re: Except tthat Egwene herself says she has no chance against Moghedien... darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 07:28:00 PM 1153 Views
Re: Except tthat Egwene herself says she has no chance against Moghedien... Sidious - 17/12/2009 08:23:01 PM 1340 Views
Ishamael told her that she would never be strong enough to face him darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 09:52:47 PM 1090 Views
And Ishamael was killed be a shepherd and Bel'al balefired by a "weak" Aes Sedai. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/12/2009 10:33:41 PM 1028 Views
I hope that's not your standard for dueling Sidious - 18/12/2009 04:24:09 AM 1058 Views
what you expect a Channeler to announce themselves and darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 12:47:17 AM 1066 Views
How can we be certain Egwene was at full strength when she said that? Logain - 17/12/2009 07:58:39 PM 992 Views
agreed darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 08:00:40 PM 953 Views
Elayne says Egwene was at her full strength in TSR, and thus was stronger than she currently was. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/12/2009 10:25:31 PM 932 Views
Elayne says Egwene was forced and was thus currently stronger darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 10:51:28 PM 975 Views
Definitely TSR, because I re-read that book constantly - will try to find the section! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/12/2009 11:23:20 PM 1006 Views
Re: Definitely TSR, because I re-read that book constantly - will try to find the section! darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 11:25:31 PM 1008 Views
Didn't the glossary say that Cadsuane was not far behind Eg/El? *NM* Cannoli - 17/12/2009 08:05:32 PM 639 Views
I'll check *NM* Sidious - 17/12/2009 08:28:57 PM 609 Views
This thread has achieved absolutely nothing. When people don't accept quotes, what's the use... Shannow - 17/12/2009 10:22:45 PM 1118 Views
No people just interpret things differently darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 10:56:45 PM 924 Views
But you ignore RJ's own quotes... who're you to talk? fionwe1987 - 17/12/2009 11:13:40 PM 869 Views
I think they are secretly just trying to make Lanfear appear that much stronger *NM* darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 11:17:38 PM 571 Views
You also forget something. Phelix - 17/12/2009 11:36:50 PM 959 Views
Re: You also forget something. darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 11:43:50 PM 981 Views
Re: You also forget something. Phelix - 18/12/2009 02:09:08 AM 1005 Views
That has nothing to do with what I said... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 12:21:06 AM 967 Views
Re: That has nothing to do with what I said... Sidious - 18/12/2009 01:28:53 PM 882 Views
Dude, prove it in a random sample, not in a skewed sample like "women who want to be Aes Sedai". fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 05:43:22 PM 925 Views
Show me a random sample in the series that we can use *NM* Sidious - 18/12/2009 06:45:08 PM 908 Views
I cannot. That's the point... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 08:33:38 PM 934 Views
Re: I cannot. That's the point... Sidious - 19/12/2009 11:58:39 AM 939 Views
Sorry, but no... fionwe1987 - 19/12/2009 06:23:41 PM 978 Views
The One Power Bell Curve's average strength is not 50, it is more like 15... Shannow - 17/12/2009 11:41:48 PM 1459 Views
but you are the person quantifying the actual strength levels. darius_sedai - 18/12/2009 12:09:08 AM 939 Views
Yes, Sidious' scale is a relative scale not an absolute one *NM* BlackAdder - 18/12/2009 12:23:25 AM 847 Views
In a Bell curve, mean=median=mode. I suppose that is untrue now? fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 12:37:47 AM 888 Views
Re: In a Bell curve, mean=median=mode. I suppose that is untrue now? BlackAdder - 18/12/2009 12:47:52 AM 941 Views
What do you mean, relative scale? fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 12:53:29 AM 903 Views
Re: What do you mean, relative scale? BlackAdder - 18/12/2009 01:16:53 AM 841 Views
Re: What do you mean, relative scale? fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 01:40:33 AM 909 Views
OK, I have no interest in OP Strength, but you comments about statistics and bell curve got me BlackAdder - 18/12/2009 12:20:27 AM 972 Views
1 to 100 works perfectly well as a range... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 12:47:44 AM 908 Views
Here is an example with an absolute scale, converted to relative BlackAdder - 18/12/2009 01:03:38 AM 985 Views
The Tower is not the whole range of channeler population! fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 01:28:38 AM 1010 Views
Re: The Tower is not the whole range of channeler population! BlackAdder - 18/12/2009 02:03:00 AM 1071 Views
Re: The Tower is not the whole range of channeler population! fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 03:16:25 AM 1008 Views
You're right, and that proves my point - here are the calculations and the evidence... Shannow - 18/12/2009 07:51:26 AM 988 Views
Dude, read up on some statistics, then we'll continue this debate... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 06:05:26 PM 913 Views
Explain one thing to me... Shannow - 18/12/2009 10:40:00 PM 930 Views
Who said she's stronger than two very strong AS? Silviana can shield her alone! *NM* fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 11:01:01 PM 544 Views
Aviendha said so in FoH. It is a direct quote. Shannow - 18/12/2009 11:04:21 PM 889 Views
This is why I have a hard time with anyone using too many darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 12:22:40 AM 939 Views
Can you provide the quote? fionwe1987 - 19/12/2009 06:24:40 PM 847 Views
Well, I was curious so I went and found it darius_sedai - 26/12/2009 08:59:46 PM 1028 Views
which is also suspect darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 12:04:14 AM 950 Views
No it's not Sidious - 19/12/2009 12:04:21 PM 923 Views
we're in agreement darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 05:22:34 PM 872 Views
OK, the Tower AS don't fall into a bell-curve, then. BlackAdder - 18/12/2009 10:34:16 PM 953 Views
So, RJ made that statement for what reason? fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 11:03:30 PM 921 Views
I don't think it's a lie BlackAdder - 18/12/2009 11:19:41 PM 973 Views
Agreed Sidious - 18/12/2009 01:04:14 PM 926 Views
Re: But you ignore RJ's own quotes... who're you to talk? Sidious - 18/12/2009 04:31:53 AM 909 Views
Re: But you ignore RJ's own quotes... who're you to talk? fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 04:42:33 AM 882 Views
Re: But you ignore RJ's own quotes... who're you to talk? Sidious - 18/12/2009 01:04:39 PM 930 Views
Bell curves CANNOT be skewed! fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 06:06:15 PM 987 Views
I've discussed this before... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 01:06:07 AM 979 Views
Re: I've discussed this before... Sidious - 18/12/2009 04:37:30 AM 952 Views
Re: I've discussed this before... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 04:58:48 AM 933 Views
Egwene + Lelaine + Romanda is weaker than one male Forsaken...according to Egwene herself... Shannow - 18/12/2009 07:02:28 AM 965 Views
Why are you entertaining this? Sidious - 18/12/2009 01:19:25 PM 942 Views
The other poster showed no proof that RJ's math was wrong. Read what he said again! *NM* fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 06:09:49 PM 587 Views
Verin's circle matched Granedal dude. And average strength does not mean great strength. fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 06:07:51 PM 954 Views
Re: Egwene + Lelaine + Romanda is weaker than one male Forsaken...according to Egwene herself... darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 12:46:18 AM 956 Views
I can't imagine it being about skill Sidious - 19/12/2009 12:06:42 PM 958 Views
of course it's about skill darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 05:22:45 PM 948 Views
Not it isn't! Sidious - 19/12/2009 05:52:02 PM 977 Views
If she was only thinking about strength why then didn't she have a plan to add Sheriam darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 07:09:08 PM 900 Views
I always thought that without her angreal... everynametaken - 18/12/2009 06:27:07 AM 1057 Views
Egwene, Elayne, and Aviendha are equally matched. Heiko - 18/12/2009 07:47:03 AM 1180 Views
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