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Kisman's pov shows Demandred has been involved in the BT Light in the Night Send a noteboard - 17/12/2009 06:01:49 AM
Everyone in Randland writes off Murandy as being unimportant. Most of the readers are doing the same thing. Roedran is mentioned in passing (but several times).

I wouldn't be surprised in the least if Demandred is Roedran, but that doesn't mean he's not doing something with the Asha'man too.


The clues we have rather indicate that Taim reports to Moridin, but is otherwise an independent recruiter and trainer for the Shadow, e.g. Moridin's colors at the BT or the fact that Demandred didn't think it was possible that Flinn is an Asha'man.

Plus, I don't see Taim and Demandred working together or Taim groveling before Demandred, because both have too big egos and are apparently similarly strong.



from WH chapter 22:

"Kill him," the M'Hael had ordered before sending them to Cairhien, but he had been as displeased that they were found out as that they had failed. Far Madding was to be their last chance; he had made that as plain as polished brass. Dashiva had simply vanished. Kisman did not know whether he had run or the M'Hael had killed him, and he did not care.

"Kill him," Demandred had commanded later, but he had added that it would be better they died than let themselves be discovered again. By anyone, even the M'Hael, as if he did not know of Taim's order.

And later still, Moridin had said, "Kill him if you must, but above all, bring everything in his possession to me. That will redeem your previous transgressions." The man said he was one of the Chosen, and no one was mad enough to make that claim unless it was true, yet he seemed to think al'Thor's belongings more important than his death, the killing incidental and not really necessary.

Those two were the only Chosen Kisman had met, but they made his head hurt. They were worse than Cairhienin. He suspected that what they left unsaid could kill a man quicker than a signed order from a High Lord. Well, once Torval and Gedwyn arrived, they could work out—



So, we have direct evidence that Demandred was indeed giving orders to Asha'man, and by him saying to not get caught again, shows that he had given them orders before this. It also appears that Kisman thought Taim was getting his orders from Demandred, (probably because he is a well known Forsaken), and, Kisman is obviously dumbfounded that Demandred doesn't know about Taim's same order to kill Rand.

It's also clear that Kisman had never met Moridin before this event, (nor did he know he was a Forsaken), so he also wouldn't know that Moridin was Nae'blis, and therefore preeminent of all the Chosen.

I agree Taim is most likely under Moridin's thumb, but it does make you wonder why Demandred was ordering around Kisman, Rochaid, Torval and Gedwyn, who, by all accounts, were some of Taim's top cronies.
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The legend of Murandy's unimportance - 15/12/2009 03:02:16 PM 1102 Views
But it's still a small country - 15/12/2009 03:06:24 PM 506 Views
Again, Murandy might be a bit smaller - 15/12/2009 03:10:11 PM 508 Views
Re: Again, Murandy might be a bit smaller - 15/12/2009 04:44:22 PM 476 Views
The Dragonsworn made chaos in half of the Westlands. - 15/12/2009 04:55:00 PM 724 Views
Agreed, only Sammael, Rhavin and Be'lal really laid claim to nations - 15/12/2009 07:12:17 PM 474 Views
to confirm you - 15/12/2009 10:47:22 PM 477 Views
I'm just not convinced that this would be a coup major enough to earn Demandred DO Kudos. - 15/12/2009 03:06:54 PM 480 Views
As said, controlling Murandy plus chaos by the Dragonsworn in 6 Westland nations. *NM* - 15/12/2009 03:11:25 PM 210 Views
well no, arad doman and tarabon were not his.... *NM* - 15/12/2009 03:57:27 PM 217 Views
Umm.., care to elaborate? *NM* - 15/12/2009 04:10:15 PM 208 Views
I was pretty sure that the Dragonsworn as a fighting force were destroyed. - 15/12/2009 04:07:38 PM 433 Views
But the Dragonsworn caused much chaos everywhere they were through the series... - 15/12/2009 04:28:42 PM 413 Views
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Those a pretty flimsy conformities, IMO... - 15/12/2009 04:53:04 PM 452 Views
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The Seanchan have elephants too ... S'redit I think they call them - 16/12/2009 12:04:40 AM 492 Views
Yes, but with so many Trollocs who needs vast armies of men? - 15/12/2009 07:15:08 PM 434 Views
Re: I'm just not convinced that this would be a coup major enough to earn Demandred DO Kudos. - 15/12/2009 08:15:05 PM 505 Views
Re: I'm just not convinced that this would be a coup major enough to earn Demandred DO Kudos. - 15/12/2009 08:28:02 PM 416 Views
But this has been going on since at least aCoS - 16/12/2009 12:07:08 AM 414 Views
Re: But this has been going on since at least aCoS - 16/12/2009 03:01:00 PM 457 Views
well, it's not like the Forsaken have been particularly impressive thus far - 16/12/2009 06:51:38 PM 407 Views
It's about the impact of action. Timing. - 15/12/2009 10:53:03 PM 416 Views
Why does Demandred say: "We" will be ready? Why not "I" will be ready? - 15/12/2009 04:06:42 PM 576 Views
Well... - 15/12/2009 04:22:57 PM 458 Views
Re: Why does Demandred say: "We" will be ready? Why not "I" will be ready? - 15/12/2009 07:59:16 PM 446 Views
It is insignificant. - 15/12/2009 10:49:20 PM 419 Views
It's importance lies in it's strategic location. - 16/12/2009 04:46:20 AM 422 Views
I think some Murandians might mention Trollocs gathering there. - 16/12/2009 07:05:29 AM 446 Views
what if they're wearing dresses and lady masks? *NM* - 16/12/2009 09:10:57 AM 209 Views
Do the ladies in Murandy wear masks? I don't recall. - 16/12/2009 09:24:46 AM 430 Views
masks to look like ladies *NM* - 16/12/2009 04:11:07 PM 206 Views
Note to self: Avoid the Murandian ladies... *NM* - 16/12/2009 05:06:04 PM 217 Views
Moridin is gathering the Trollocs in the Blight, as we learn in TGS! - 16/12/2009 12:13:38 PM 407 Views
A Murandian army is insignificant. - 16/12/2009 07:59:54 PM 417 Views
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Maybe he's based in an alternate universe? - 16/12/2009 09:26:53 PM 399 Views
He doesn't? - 16/12/2009 11:37:34 PM 395 Views
Re: A Murandian army is insignificant. - 16/12/2009 08:27:28 PM 442 Views
Surely you jest. - 16/12/2009 11:39:23 PM 380 Views
Re: Surely you jest. - 17/12/2009 06:35:57 AM 404 Views
Well that depends. - 17/12/2009 08:33:12 PM 407 Views
As said, it's additional chaos and strife. - 16/12/2009 12:01:05 PM 832 Views
Its illogical to assume that Westlanders... - 16/12/2009 12:25:08 AM 424 Views
But that is exactly... - 16/12/2009 11:53:11 AM 426 Views
I agree mostly. It's a common RJ theme - 16/12/2009 07:42:39 AM 466 Views
Honestly, at this point - 16/12/2009 09:07:35 AM 420 Views
In my view... - 16/12/2009 12:10:20 PM 406 Views
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Kisman's pov shows Demandred has been involved in the BT - 17/12/2009 06:01:49 AM 506 Views
I think... - 17/12/2009 12:07:05 PM 398 Views
You're right - 17/12/2009 12:33:35 PM 414 Views
Interesting. - 17/12/2009 05:41:20 PM 374 Views
Aran'gar playing Demandred... - 17/12/2009 06:23:23 PM 408 Views
Ah, right that order is certainly out of character with Demandred. *NM* - 17/12/2009 06:40:32 PM 179 Views

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