Demandred was only a little behind LTT in intelligence. He gave LTT an IQ of 170 and Demandred 160. I should find the quote before I misquote him, though.
I think that Ishamael, Semirhage, Graendal and Aginor had similar IQ's though.
IQ doesn't make a person competent though. I think Aginor may have been the greatest mind among the Forsaken, but he was probably the least competent socially, and as a Forsaken his only real place was in a lab trying to make new monsters.
Demandred has huge personalities flaws which undermine his greatness. This is true of all the Forsaken. However, he is obsessed with the idea that he is the greatest man alive. Unfortunately he does almost nothing to prove it. He's riding on a wave he started in the Age of Legends, which is getting very small I'm afraid. Maybe Rand isn't a super genius, but he has the skill and temperament to kill any of the Chosen, and the logic and mental aptitude to find ways to perform great feats like the cleansing of saidin, and the destruction of Graendal.
I think that Ishamael, Semirhage, Graendal and Aginor had similar IQ's though.
IQ doesn't make a person competent though. I think Aginor may have been the greatest mind among the Forsaken, but he was probably the least competent socially, and as a Forsaken his only real place was in a lab trying to make new monsters.
Demandred has huge personalities flaws which undermine his greatness. This is true of all the Forsaken. However, he is obsessed with the idea that he is the greatest man alive. Unfortunately he does almost nothing to prove it. He's riding on a wave he started in the Age of Legends, which is getting very small I'm afraid. Maybe Rand isn't a super genius, but he has the skill and temperament to kill any of the Chosen, and the logic and mental aptitude to find ways to perform great feats like the cleansing of saidin, and the destruction of Graendal.
Totally agree, it's not literal intelligence I'm talking about when it comes to Demandred, clearly all of the FS have IQ in abundance, but along with that is an abundance of personality flaws!
The least flawed Forsaken is probably Sammael, who is similar to Demandred in most ways and turned for the same reasons. He really goes for his victims though, and was proactive as a Forsaken on many levels. There is almost nothing he didn't try against Rand - directly attacking personally or via his soldiers, defending Ilian, plotting with other Forsaken, using darkfriends and even a truce at one stage. He was very unlucky to die - thwarted by Moridin and mashadar.
Odd how Sammael is the only Forsaken Moridin actively moved to kill and that the DO didn't transmigrate him after the fact. I've long believed that if the FS had to have reasons for killing each other outright, (part of the game the DO makes them play for his favor), I wonder if Moridin had a "chat" with the DO and was able to make a case to be rid of Sammael.
Also, Graendal clearly thought Sammael was succeeding as she believed he may have been close to being named NB.
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
Two idiot Forsaken in the Prologue
10/12/2009 04:31:10 PM
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Oh you are being unfair!
10/12/2009 04:49:31 PM
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Yes; this pretty much matched my expectations - esp. for Demandred.
10/12/2009 04:56:32 PM
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Mesaana was motivated out of...
10/12/2009 07:16:43 PM
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Ah, then she would be more of an idiot than I thought. 2nd Rate indeed. *NM*
10/12/2009 08:19:05 PM
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Re: Yes; this pretty much matched my expectations - esp. for Demandred.
11/12/2009 06:47:43 AM
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But BS said that Shaidar Haran couldn't do things in the physical world without aid.
11/12/2009 03:20:59 PM
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I think that just proves SH isn't gay! *NM*
11/12/2009 04:07:47 PM
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Or it could just prove
11/12/2009 05:42:33 PM
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Did he say he could not touch things, or that he just could not counter uber-channeling?
12/12/2009 12:30:40 AM
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I would say...
10/12/2009 04:58:15 PM
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he hasn't really done anything
10/12/2009 05:25:03 PM
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I'm pretty sure he did something...
10/12/2009 05:33:04 PM
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Re: I'm pretty sure he did something...
10/12/2009 07:51:25 PM
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Yeah, but now Graendal is dead, while Demandred is still alive. *NM*
10/12/2009 08:29:24 PM
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Re: Yeah, but now Graendal is dead, while Demandred is still alive. *NM*
11/12/2009 12:17:54 AM
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I think Demandred is pretty smart...
11/12/2009 11:45:58 AM
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of course he's never set foot anywhere close to anything long enough
11/12/2009 02:11:19 PM
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Is it smart to take a risk...
11/12/2009 02:22:18 PM
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I think your making a lot of assumptions
11/12/2009 05:40:47 PM
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Well...
11/12/2009 06:04:47 PM
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Re: Well...
11/12/2009 07:15:06 PM
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According to RJ...
12/12/2009 12:32:12 PM
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makes you wonder
12/12/2009 03:39:08 PM
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Re: makes you wonder
12/12/2009 03:47:18 PM
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Thanks for the BS quote, that's new news to me!
12/12/2009 03:55:37 PM
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Moridin didn't want to betrayal Sammael...
12/12/2009 04:07:49 PM
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It amounts to the same thing
12/12/2009 04:12:42 PM
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Then you could also say...
12/12/2009 04:22:30 PM
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no actually you cannot
12/12/2009 04:46:03 PM
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To be fair, Mesaana's brood of channelers promise could still come to fruition. *NM*
10/12/2009 04:58:28 PM
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Sanderson's first attempt at portraying the Forsaken based on character summaries in RJ's notes...
10/12/2009 05:29:51 PM
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That was RJ's biggest flaw, IMO
11/12/2009 02:45:41 PM
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I'll respond to someone who wants to say that
11/12/2009 05:19:52 PM
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Ya. Fain's a good exception. I still have hopes for him. And... Thereva was scary, but...
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