They refuse to reveal the Ajah Heads to Egwene, despite her express orders. Doubt Meidani could...
fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 12/12/2009 09:44:23 AM
Beonin would never have been able to go back to the Tower if she had taken an Oath on the rod... the fact that she had even enough wriggle room to avoid her oath of fealty to Egwene speaks volumes to me about the difference.
Unless the Oath she took on the Oath Rod was 'I will not go back to the Tower' you really don't have any reason to believe this. The loophole was that Beonin no longer saw Egwene as Amyrlin, therefore her Oath to the Amyrlin no longer held. Elaida's Fourth Oath had the exact same stipulation, so it had the exact same loophole.
Meidani was far more hedged in and if she had been given a direct order, say to jump up and down for 10 minutes, she would have had no choice but to comply. Beonin could refuse such an order if she believed that it was not something should be required to do.
Quotes or it didn't happen.
'Swearing fealty' is also exactly what the Aes Sedai sworn to Rand at Dumaï's Wells have done, you'll notice. See how often they do 'something they believe they should not be required to do'.
In some ways I applaud Egwene for being so machiavelian that she caught these women in their own plotting and was able to forge at least a semi-effective tool out of them. I also think the BA hunters did what needed to be done to root out the BA. But the question I have is why leave the 4th Oath on Meidani and the other moles when they've clearly proven that they are not BA and would be easy enough to simply blackmail into obedience.
I applaud Egwene to a similar degree that I applaud Elaida for getting herself elected Amyrlin Seat. Less, actually. Elaida stretched the limits of legality, Egwene completely disregarded them. I don't see anything especially impressive about Egwene in that scene - Siuan discovered what they were up too and informed Egwene, then she simply blackmailed them into obeying whatever she wanted. The only impressive thing, if you insist on calling it that, is that she stooped to using Compulsion, which no other Aes Sedai would have considered until Elaida herself.
I guess you applaud Egwene because she made it work, whereas Elaida failed? But that is not the criticism that Egwene levels against Elaida. She says the act itself is unacceptable, not the fact that she got caught.
Egwene - hypocrite
10/12/2009 01:20:24 PM
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Not the same at all really
10/12/2009 02:12:36 PM
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I agree.
10/12/2009 03:03:49 PM
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What crime? Accepting her unethical promotions? Being afraid of the Hall's injustice?
10/12/2009 03:51:05 PM
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But...
10/12/2009 05:54:39 PM
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She threatened, or made an implied threat, to reveal what they had done.
17/12/2009 12:11:43 PM
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Re: What crime? Accepting her unethical promotions? Being afraid of the Hall's injustice?
10/12/2009 09:08:08 PM
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It does NOT violate Tower Law, as Myrelle herself said, and Siuan admits.
17/12/2009 12:23:25 PM
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I can't decide if you just don't understand the books at all
13/12/2009 05:14:22 AM
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I have doubts about RJ's brain if he actually believed some of the crap he has characters spew
17/12/2009 12:26:52 PM
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Let he who has no sin cast the first stone
10/12/2009 04:34:06 PM
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Not really
10/12/2009 03:06:30 PM
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But what the Amylin said is law, like how she raised those Accepted.
10/12/2009 04:42:51 PM
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Re: But what the Amylin said is law, like how she raised those Accepted.
10/12/2009 11:04:47 PM
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No she was right, and even her blackmail, as reprehensible as that was, was not an act of tyranny
10/12/2009 03:56:41 PM
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Actually, I agree.
10/12/2009 06:47:22 PM
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I like Egwene
10/12/2009 07:08:24 PM
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That really disappointed me.
10/12/2009 07:29:14 PM
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funny, I'm more of the mind set that both groups were right
11/12/2009 12:02:50 AM
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Not the problem.
11/12/2009 12:13:26 AM
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I do agree with DomA and the others on the point that
11/12/2009 07:13:31 AM
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Re: I do agree with DomA and the others on the point that
11/12/2009 08:20:19 AM
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*shrugs*
11/12/2009 02:06:47 PM
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You have no basis for that assertion.
11/12/2009 07:12:03 PM
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They refuse to reveal the Ajah Heads to Egwene, despite her express orders. Doubt Meidani could...
12/12/2009 09:44:23 AM
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Ah, true that.
12/12/2009 07:20:04 PM
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Who said she wasn't wrong?
12/12/2009 09:02:55 PM
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Re: Who said she wasn't wrong?
13/12/2009 04:16:56 AM
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Re: Who said she wasn't wrong?
13/12/2009 08:12:25 AM
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Re: Who said she wasn't wrong?
13/12/2009 07:35:10 PM
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I agree with most of your point
10/12/2009 09:49:18 PM
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Of course she is a hypocrite
11/12/2009 05:22:56 AM
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The same can be said of Nynaeve and Mat
11/12/2009 07:20:47 AM
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