Did he say he could not touch things, or that he just could not counter uber-channeling?
Datakim Send a noteboard - 12/12/2009 12:30:40 AM
I don't understand how he could touch Mesaana or cancel out weaves she has tied off or maintained, while not being able to affect the net of Compulsion set in Elza's mind.
I think it has been said/speculated that he has a greater hold over those who have sworn to the DO. So he might not be able to cancel the weaves of someone who is not loyal to him. He is able to physically hurt someone who cannot fight back like Mesaana however.
Also, I was disgusted by what RJ had happen to Moghedien and Mesaana. I'm hoping the same punishment was visited on Moridin, Balthamel and Aginor - their failures were all more spectacular, and bullying the weakest of the female Forsaken lowered the scope of the evil in the series, and it seems to me that this is a blow that is worse than the breaking of Semirhage in terms of tarnishing the overall sense of risk in the series.
The double standard is quite tiresome. And lame.
I think the argument could be made that its not exactly failure that pisses the DO off. I mean given that the wheel has apparently been turning for a long time, and that the DO has failed to win in each turning, it makes sense that he might be more understanding than the average evil overlord about failure. Sometimes you just cannot win, not even every time.
That is why Balthamel and Aginor were not horribly punished, sure they failed miserably and I expect the DO might have slapped his hand to his forehead in despair once he saw how, but they also showed no sign of actually being disloyal. Ishamael too got his ass kicked and failed, but once more he was loyal to the DO until the very end.
The crimes of Moghedien and Mesaana are worse than just failure and incompetence. They actually betrayed the DO. In the case of Mesaana, the betrayal was one of knowing disobedience. In the case of Moghedien, she willingly and knowingly supported and taught the DO's enemies.
If Moghedien had escaped by channeling the TP or killing herself or something, I expect the DO would have been more understanding and saved/protected her.
Likewise if Mesaana had come to the cleansing and been vaporized by a blast from Callandor, the DO would have captured her soul and saved her.
But their true crime was one of betrayal/disobedience which is why their punishment was also worse. I expect if Asmodean had been captured alive, he too would have enjoyed some quality time with SH too before being mindtrapped.
Two idiot Forsaken in the Prologue
10/12/2009 04:31:10 PM
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Oh you are being unfair!
10/12/2009 04:49:31 PM
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Yes; this pretty much matched my expectations - esp. for Demandred.
10/12/2009 04:56:32 PM
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Mesaana was motivated out of...
10/12/2009 07:16:43 PM
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Ah, then she would be more of an idiot than I thought. 2nd Rate indeed. *NM*
10/12/2009 08:19:05 PM
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Re: Yes; this pretty much matched my expectations - esp. for Demandred.
11/12/2009 06:47:43 AM
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But BS said that Shaidar Haran couldn't do things in the physical world without aid.
11/12/2009 03:20:59 PM
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I think that just proves SH isn't gay!
*NM*
11/12/2009 04:07:47 PM
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Or it could just prove
11/12/2009 05:42:33 PM
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Did he say he could not touch things, or that he just could not counter uber-channeling?
12/12/2009 12:30:40 AM
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I would say...
10/12/2009 04:58:15 PM
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he hasn't really done anything
10/12/2009 05:25:03 PM
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I'm pretty sure he did something...
10/12/2009 05:33:04 PM
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Re: I'm pretty sure he did something...
10/12/2009 07:51:25 PM
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Yeah, but now Graendal is dead, while Demandred is still alive. *NM*
10/12/2009 08:29:24 PM
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Re: Yeah, but now Graendal is dead, while Demandred is still alive. *NM*
11/12/2009 12:17:54 AM
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I think Demandred is pretty smart...
11/12/2009 11:45:58 AM
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of course he's never set foot anywhere close to anything long enough
11/12/2009 02:11:19 PM
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Is it smart to take a risk...
11/12/2009 02:22:18 PM
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I think your making a lot of assumptions
11/12/2009 05:40:47 PM
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Well...
11/12/2009 06:04:47 PM
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Re: Well...
11/12/2009 07:15:06 PM
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According to RJ...
12/12/2009 12:32:12 PM
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makes you wonder
12/12/2009 03:39:08 PM
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Re: makes you wonder
12/12/2009 03:47:18 PM
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Thanks for the BS quote, that's new news to me!
12/12/2009 03:55:37 PM
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Moridin didn't want to betrayal Sammael...
12/12/2009 04:07:49 PM
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It amounts to the same thing
12/12/2009 04:12:42 PM
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Then you could also say...
12/12/2009 04:22:30 PM
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no actually you cannot
12/12/2009 04:46:03 PM
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To be fair, Mesaana's brood of channelers promise could still come to fruition. *NM*
10/12/2009 04:58:28 PM
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Sanderson's first attempt at portraying the Forsaken based on character summaries in RJ's notes...
10/12/2009 05:29:51 PM
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That was RJ's biggest flaw, IMO
11/12/2009 02:45:41 PM
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I'll respond to someone who wants to say that
11/12/2009 05:19:52 PM
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Ya. Fain's a good exception. I still have hopes for him. And... Thereva was scary, but...
11/12/2009 08:32:38 PM
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